Want to read Slashdot from your mobile device? Point it at m.slashdot.org and keep reading!

 


Forgot your password?
Close
typodupeerror
×
BSD Operating Systems

DaemonNews Goes Print 45

Posted by Hemos from the good-for-them dept.
howardjp writes "DaemonNews will start printing a bi-monthly print magazine starting on January 15th. The magazine will contain new original articles not found on the website. You can preorder a subscription for only 24.95 USD (38.95 USD outside the US) from the DaemonNews Mall."
This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.

DaemonNews Goes Print More

DaemonNews Goes Print

Comments Filter:
  • http://www.freezer-burn.org/tattoo_list.php

    I saw a picture of two Kiwis who had Tux on thier forearms but lost the URL :(

    I think a Chuck tat would be alot nicer looking than a Tux IMHO. And if you were really into mods, get his eyes done in UV or glow in the dark ink. Yeah it can really mess your skin up, but you'd have a devil with glowing eyes *drool*
  • The magazine will contain new original articles not found on the website.
    Will the print version contain the articles from the website and original articles? If so, then I would view the practice as nothing more than a marketing gimmick to get geeks to buy the hardcopy. Is it really worth the $24.95 to get all the information you could get from the online version, plus a few exclusive articles and tons of advertisements?

    I don't really see a reason for moving to hardcopy. It just seems like a step backwards, media-wise, anyways. Why go to print when it's cheaper, faster and easier to produce an online version? The geeks who would read this already have computers and 'Net connections, making an electronic version more easily accessible, so why bother?

  • > Where did I imply that BSD == FreeBSD?

    here "Could this be a sign that BSD is getting bigger in the marketplace? They've never been that big. Maybe that the merger with BSDI is finally paying off, marketingwise" . first you are asking if bsd is getting bigger, than you say that their merger with bsdi might be reason behind increase of popularity of bsd. its walnut creek that merged with bsdi not netbsd foundation or openbsd

    > I don't know about Debian because I never ran it

    then dont say that linux conf files are changing their place constantly. specify distribution!!!
    btw can you give me an example of some major gnu/linux distro changing location of their conf files more than once in last 4-5 years ?.
  • If you read it that way, you could interpret it like that, indeed. I was implying FreeBSD though, when I mentioned the merger. I thought this was general knowledge (might be subjective about that since I attented the Dutch FreeBSD interest group meeting where Jordan Hubbard announced the merger before anyone from the press got to know about it).

    As for conf files, I used RedHat and SuSe. Several versions, years ago. Can't name the specific conf files anymore. (Do remember the perl cranking YaST apparently had to do after changing one single configuration option in it).

    It's obvious our opinions collide. But why make such a fuss of it? I'm just giving my opinion. I like FreeBSD better, it just looks and feels more solid in my eyes (and experience). Accept that.
  • The "*BSD is dying" troll trys the handwaving arguments again.

    Most analysts agree that *BSD is dying.
    What analysts? Where? Who? Do you have some facts here?

    No facts? Sorry troll-girl, but repeating a mantra over and over '*BSD is dying' doesn't make it so.

    The same forces that are killing *BSD are the same ones that hurt SCO
    Really? Care to explain this further?

    SCO used to charge extra for a TCP/IP stack. And extra for a compiler. And extra for, well, everything.
    Free/Net/OpenBSD do not charge ANYTHING....you can DL 2 floppies and bootstrap a system off the old AOL 3.0 floppies sent to you.

    Looks like the cost issue of SCO doesn't exist with BSD. So either you had some other idea in mind toll-girl, or you are making up stuff as you go along.
  • Yea, Look at
    http://www.DaemonTechnologies.com/freebsdcon1/my-t at.jpg
  • I second this!

    Look at Linux Journal, Perl Journal, Dr.Dobb's and all these cool magazines! They would have enough already (stupid canadian dollar)! I only live a few hours away from Detroit and Buffolo!

    (hehe, luckily I can get leech most of these off the profs..)
  • BUT you don't have have to remove all the oxygen to kill the planet. For the most part, the species of this planet are very delicate when it comes to elements that have been constant for millions of years (like oxygen/pollutant content of the air, chemistry of the water, food chain, etc). You make too many "slight" changes, and the entire ecosystem goes out with a bang (or a slow wheeze).

    What I'd like to see is less of those liberal-minded 60s vegetarians with highly abrasive personalities discrediting the rest of us who have reasonable environmental concerns.

    Remember: if you don't know what you're talking about, shut the hell up. (Not flaming you, just people who are idiots, in general.)
    --------
    Genius dies of the same blow that destroys liberty.
  • Yeah, keep trying. One day you might manage to convince yourself of that, and then there will be one person in the world believing it. :-)
  • So where are your facts and links to refute the point?
  • sorry if i offended you or anything like that :( i was just kinda pissed off because lately i've been hearing lots of shit about gnu/linux from some immature *bsd users so i kinda had to reply to that "linux isnt stable enough" post of yours....
  • Right on Brother, you forgot about Linux's single threaded IDE driver, as well as FreeBSD's ability to install via FTP as opposed to downloading an ISO and having to burn it. But over all I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one using FreeBSD!!

    Daemons are cuter than penguins
    Kleed
  • You seem to have missed my original point. If the BSD mag is going to contain the same information as the online version, plus a few extra stories, then give me a good business case for making the print version. The Linux magazines out there don't just reprint articles from the electronic version of the periodical. Then again, if the hardcopy version contains only new, original material, my argument is moot and I wish them the best of luck. I have seen nothing to indicate either case, but printing a mag with all original content takes a lot of work, money, time and resources, so I'm guessing that the articles of the online version would make up a good portion of the print version at this early stage of the game. I just don't see this selling as well as an all-original-content magazine.

  • Three BSD kernels versus 300 Linux userlands... what's your point?


    What's your point with comparing kernels with userland ? dolt

    There's more commercial installations out there based on BSD code than on Linux code.

    Stop hiding behind big boys fudster, If you take only NetBSD, FreeBSD and OpenBSD and compare them to Linux, BSD is just a niche project for snobs

    BTW Your precious Yahoo uses Google as search engine, which runs on what OS?
    Hint, not any crappy *BSD
  • Not that you care, but Christian Coleman, one of the main guys at DaemonNews, is my brother-in-law. I'm so excited for all of them.

    Partly I'm excited because they are worthy of mention on the great /. heheh

    Have a nice day!

    Failure is not an option.
  • Yeah you're right. It's all shutting down every last *BSD business is practically dead. I mean they gave the damn source code away for free a long time ago.What type of business model is that?!?! I mean how can ppl benefit when no single corporation controls the source code. I mean haven't they heard of security through obscurity? Man.. talk about the dark ages. I'm going to go back and start playing with my mainframe and go schedule some batch jobs.
  • I wouldn't normally respond to stuff like this, but would it really be that difficult to add something to the lameness filter that prevents more than a few BR or P tags in a row? I would think it would be worth it for this thread alone, never mind all the other threads this person has rendered un-readable.

  • The parent was mine. oh well.
  • offtopic: A script to parse posts and delete contiguous newlines is in order.
  • NetBSD can't go out of business. It isn't a business. OpenBSD is still sought after by everyone needing the most secure system ever. And FreeBSD wasn't bought.
  • "The magazine will contain new original articles not found on the website. "

    I guess that to get all of the articles now, I'll have to subscribe to the dead tree edition. It's okay, trees were overrated. What do we need all of this oxygen production for, anyway?

    "Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
  • I see my favourite "Anonymous Coward" has pulled his head out of the sand again...

    There's more OSes out in the wild that are based on BSD code than on Linux code... looks like Linux is the loser.

  • > Even once you get past the fact the *BSD is
    > fragmented between a myriad of incompatible
    > kernels

    Three BSD kernels versus 300 Linux userlands... what's your point?

    > *BSD experienced moderate success about 15
    > years ago in academic circles.

    There's more commercial installations out there based on BSD code than on Linux code.

    > We all know *BSD keeps losing market share but
    > why?

    Like every UNIX flavour, because of Windows NT.

    Don't fool yourself, Linux won't be going mainstream either, companies like HP and IBM are jumping on a bandwagon. Problem is that the passengers on the bandwagon are hitch hikers not paying customers... how are IBM and HP going to make money when noone pays... they won't and the support will disappear (if it was ever anything more than a marketing exercise!)

  • Pricing (Score:2)

    by mTor ( 18585 )
    Pricing sucks! I have to pay $40 just because I'm in Canada? Come on... shipping to Canada can't be $15 extra! I'm affraid but you've just lost a customer.
  • Oh boy.... its the 'BSD is dying' troll.

    Lets see:

    1) facts or links to back her claims: No. But vague finger-pointing at 'special reports' from IDC, Gardner or even Netcraft. This Troll has *YET* to produce any of these reports.
    2) out right lies "when you need something enterprise ready with a world-wide corporate support structure" What, BSDi is chopped liver? Last time *I* checked, they sold 24X7 support oin both hardware and software. If you have a phone line/internet connection and FedEX you are supported....if you are willing to pay.

    Hey troll-girl, feel free to come back when you have facts.
  • I would definitely subscribe, but @38 bucks its too much for me.
  • Ohhh, boy. the "*BSD is dying" troll is trying something different.

    Nice try girl, but for something to go OUT of business, it has to BE a business. And NetBSD is an international collaborative effort of a large group of people, to produce a freely available and redistributable UNIX-like operating system, NetBSD.

    Why don't you try some facts, troll-girl.
  • Apple computer corp seems to Think Different.

    Mac OS X is based on BSD, and iMacs don't rack well for back rooms. So Apple must think selling BSD based systems will be profitable.

  • Oh boy. The "*BSD is dying" troll is trying something new.

    Isn't it funny when a marginal magazine goes out of business
    They just STARTED publishing their magazine, and the troll wants readers to believe the magazine is going out of business.

    Otherwise, she is up to the same old tricks. We all know *BSD keeps losing market share but why? Yet...no proof of this. Obviously she beleives this because she has data....yet she can't be bothered to share.

    She makes up data: *BSD experienced moderate success about 15 years ago in academic circles. Since then it has been in steady decline. Really? Considering the number of acedemic systems running BSD on VAX hardware, VS the total number of X86/PPC/MIPS/etc machines running BSD today, that looks like a INCREASE, not a decrease.

    A nice twist this time Troll-girl with the 'spiritualists wishing to communicate with the dead.' line.

    But, given your anti-BSD past, your unwillingness to spend 'a penny subscribing' is not suprising.
  • "(Not flaming you, just people who are idiots, in general.)"

    good, 'cause all I was trying to do was to get the comment moderated "funny" and still make somewhat a point...

    "Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
  • BTW Your precious Yahoo uses Google as search engine, which runs on what OS?

    I hate to point this out to you, but Yahoo used to be exclusively BSD, and Google are more than likely going to migrate over to BSD. Nearly every mature organisation I know has at some point moved from Windows to Linux and then eventually from Linux to BSD. I work in the ISP industry, and internal to that industry within the UK, Linux is a joke, BSD takes top spot every time.

    Anyway, does it actually fucking matter?
  • There has to be some real numbers somewhere for us mear mortals to look at.

    I'd like to see a OS is use numbers, the 'number of linux distros website' (often re-quoted, seldom linked to here on /.), or even links to articles/stuff over at the advocacy.deamonnews.org. (the links are kinda thin.)

    I've been hoping that someone would actually have some of these '4 years running' reports, but with a lack of production, I'm guessing they don't exist.

    Besides, I'm not worried about troll-girl. When she has some facts, and a troll turns out to be correct, *THEN* I'll start to worry.
  • Nick Pertley, Joe Barr, and even IBM have all moved on. They are pumping Linux.
  • I'm not the one making the claims, I'm pointing out how troll-girl DOESN'T have facts to back up her claims.

    She was claiming that Applixware was not going to make Applixware 5.0 FreeBSD native. Claimed the same level of 'internal knowledge' of what was going on at Applixware's makers that she claims on the 'shrinking BSD numbers'. Yet, if I pay $99.95, I can get 5.0 of Applixware. Now, it may be "borken out of the box", but it *DID* ship.
  • Exactly. Which is why it's best if we don't impact environ. too much in the first place, so we don't risk "fixing" it the wrong way.
    --------
    Genius dies of the same blow that destroys liberty.
  • In the "Open Source OS market", the BSD's have 20% marketshare.

    Given there are 185+ seperate linux distros, the average marketshare is less than 1%.

    1% is far less than 20%. Almost all linux distros are therefore nothing but money-pits for the VC's that are backing them, or are hobby projects.

    There's more commercial installations out there based on BSD code than on Linux code.
    Stop hiding behind big boys fudster
    Sorry to tell ya this, but without BSD code, Linux won't work.
    /usr/src/linux-2.2.12/include/linux/in_systm.h
    is an example how without BSD, Linux won't work in any useful manner. Therefore, the original statement is 100% correct, because Linux uses BSD code. Programs using BSD code include BSD + Microsoft + Intel + IBM + linux is greater than linux, which uses BSD code.

    If *BSD is so crappy, why does Linux use the code?
    (extra bonus point question: Why was this code used w/o proper licensing? RMS/the FSF says old-style 4 clause BSD code it incompatible with the GPL, yet this code from 1993 is old enough to have had the 4 clause license...a license that can't be GPLed...yet a GPL was placed on the code in 1993, according to the version code. Not to mention the code is in PRESENT violation....clause 1 requires the 'above copywrite notice' and list of clauses. Wonder if UoC will ask all the copies of Linux to be recalled? Guess respect for a license only matters if it is the GPL eh?)

    I look *SO* forward to your informed reply, linux zelot.
  • What's your point with comparing kernels with userland ? dolt

    Oooppss... I got into Linux zealot mode and started comparing apples and oranges.

    Stop hiding behind big boys fudster, If you take only NetBSD, FreeBSD and OpenBSD and compare them to Linux, BSD is just a niche project for snobs

    That's a bit rich coming from a one eyed zealot who obviously lives with their head in the sand. Your homework assignment is to do a bit of reading, get a clue and report back!

    BTW Your precious Yahoo uses Google as search engine, which runs on what OS?

    FreeBSD apparently. You might want to check that out at Netcraft...
    http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.yah oo .com&display=uptime
    There ain't no Linux there!

    Hint, not any crappy *BSD

    Bzzztttt... you're not having a very good day are you?

  • According to the latest IDC survey, *BSD lost more marketshare.

    This is known as lying with statistics. What the troll did not tell you (assuming his citation is even true), is that the total market is expanding. BSD is not losing customers. Quite the opposite, they are booming. Only that they are not booming as fast as other systems makes them lose marketshare. Marketshare statistics are completely meaningless in a growing market.

    On the other hand, when it comes to major league scalable solutions, *BSD fares poorly.

    Considering I don't have a 64 CPU system with 32 terabytes of RAM on my home system, I just don't care. But if I did I would use a REAL scalable system, like Solaris, and neither BSD or Linux.
  • I've been a long time reader of DaemonNews online. It's going to be really great to see it in print.

    I think we all should thank the editors for doing such a great job in giving the BSD community credibility.
    ------------

  • Re:Excuse me. (Score:3)

    by dattaway ( 3088 ) on Wednesday January 03, 2001 @12:54PM (#533249) Homepage Journal
    Magazines are quite fashionable to leave around the office. They are not entertaining just for the subscriber, but also can lead to greater opportunities. A glossy magazine with flippable pages makes for a great physical medium to spread advocacy in the office. Its great leaving something in the office my boss and cow-orkers can read, kick their feet up, and ask questions about.

  • FreeBSD rocks (IMO) (Score:3)

    by theroge ( 214016 ) on Wednesday January 03, 2001 @12:55PM (#533250) Homepage
    Could this be a sign that BSD is getting bigger in the marketplace? They've never been that big. Maybe that the merger with BSDI is finally paying off, marketingwise.

    I've been using FreeBSD for about three years now. Reasons are that I find FreeBSD more 'pure' than the usual Linux distributions. Config files placement changes only sporadically, while I have the feeling that every Linux distribution puts it's config files in another place (and has the locations change rather often).

    I do like the cleanlyness of the system. You have to install/enable things if you really want them. RedHat is more like a Christmas tree with all the lights on (even those you don't use or impose a security problem).

    Furthermore, a lot of people are using it at my job, an ISP. We use FreeBSD on several critical servers (a.o. for news, dns). I couldn't image Linux running on those servers because of the lesser reliability and security. On the other hand my opinion is coloured because I've gotten used to FreeBSD so much.

    I do like the better hardware compatibility of Linux though. FreeBSD doesn't support that much hardware. It seems like the price to pay for a first class quality operating system.

    Rogier
  • Now was that nice? At least I didn't post as AC... sheesh. :) Personally, I thought I did pretty good for a first try at FP ever... got it in there within the same minute as the first post. But alas, no points for 2nd place. :) -LN
  • Not to get a Jon Katz-esque flame war going on here, but why the move to a print media? Sure you can read it on the crapper, but articles do start to age pretty quickly, and what may have been hot new news when the magazine went to print could quickly become old trash by the time it hits newsstands.

    Just my 4 pfennig.

    -----
  • when you've got online media ? EG the german IX and CT magazines are available also on CD , especially in sectors which are stuffed up with online publications I dont beleive his realls makes sense (also from an economic perspective).
    Generally the question how stuff like magazines like this one will act in the future stays quite open for me - will it go towards information payment or free information availability ?
  • Reasons for a printed version:

    1) Many managers only believe it if it is in print.

    2) Wireless LAN's are not common enough to take the laptop to the restroom.

    3) Tearing an article out of the monitor just is not done. Yet?

    The main point would have to be first one. Those managers high up there are still based on paper magazines since they started their way up the career ladder many moons ago when IBM AT's ruled. Mosaic would not have run all that quickly on one of those boxes anyway.

Slashdot Top Deals

A morsel of genuine history is a thing so rare as to be always valuable. -- Thomas Jefferson

Close