OpenBSD 3.8 Released 234
Cowards Anonymous writes "OpenBSD 3.8 is out. It comes with improved hardware support, some improvements to the OSPF daemon, some new RAID management tools, among many others. Even if you plan on installing via FTP, why not order a CD copy, tshirt, or poster as well? "
Nothing to see here... (Score:4, Funny)
It has just turned into an invisible super-natural being that will come and bite you in the ass, YOU FAT PENGUIN!
Eh, I'm joking. Don't mod into oblivion please, pretty please...
Re:Nothing to see here... (Score:2)
Beastie stabs Tux in the heart, you insensitive clod!
T-shirts for us total nerds (Score:5, Informative)
Re:T-shirts for us total nerds (Score:3, Funny)
*ducks*
Re:T-shirts for us total nerds (Score:4, Funny)
I love ordering shirts from OpenBSD over some other places because they have XXXL on their site!
That's why I order condoms from them. [/rimshot]
Re:T-shirts for us total nerds (Score:2, Funny)
click on the outdoor camping tents, or circus tent section.
I strongly suggest you take up smoking and a cocane habit. It's better for your health and the current lifestyle you are living.
Re:T-shirts for us total nerds (Score:4, Funny)
That's the [Chet] Atkins diet.
Bits (Score:2)
Who is this? Private message me (totallygeek) on VLE [vle.org]. I am running through a list of who left here in 2000 for UT.... Drawing a blank.
OSPF daemon? (Score:3, Funny)
OpenBSD is cool (Score:5, Interesting)
Eventually, I ditched it for FreeBSD, because that's what I use on my desktop machine and on my notebook, and it feels more familiar. Also, I find patching and keeping the system up to date easier on FreeBSD than on OpenBSD. But don't let that discourage you, OpenBSD can be fun to use, just try it.
Re:OpenBSD is cool (Score:5, Interesting)
There's been a lot of work done on the pkg_* tools to make updating easier. I'm still on a 3.6 box at home so I can't wait to see what's been introduced since then. The pkg_add man page for 3.8 says the -u switch will be a true update switch after 3.8. Portupgrade is a great tool to use on FreeBSD and I can't wait for similar functionality on OpenBSD.
Re:OpenBSD is cool (Score:2)
Re:OpenBSD is cool (Score:2)
Re:OpenBSD is cool (Score:4, Informative)
Absolute OpenBSD: UNIX for the Practical Paranoid [amazon.com]
Building Firewalls with OpenBSD and PF, 2nd Edition [amazon.com]
Mastering FreeBSD and OpenBSD Security [amazon.com]
Secure Architectures with OpenBSD [amazon.com]
JP
Re:OpenBSD is cool (Score:2)
But if you really need a book they [amazon.com] aren't [amazon.com] hard [amazon.com] to [amazon.com] find [amazon.com].
Re:OpenBSD is cool (Score:2)
Re:OpenBSD is cool (Score:3, Insightful)
I don't do mail order. If its not in a bookshop then as far as I'm concerned its not out there.
Any bookstore worth their salt will be more than happy to special order any in print book in exchange for prepayment, and take the order over the phone so you don't have to make two trips to the store; just pick it up on your next trip to the bookstore. If you are worried about someone nicking your credit card number when you give it out over the phone, just get a credit card that lets you generate one time use
Re:OpenBSD is cool (Score:3, Informative)
I've seen Absolute OpenBSD in a brick-and-mortar Barnes & Noble.
Re:OpenBSD is cool (Score:2, Funny)
New Security Features (Score:5, Informative)
What would make me try it.. (Score:2)
What would really make me try it would be good support for virtual machines.
Then I could fall back to Linux if I got a problem and run the two programs where I still boot to Win. Easy transfer -- and I could transfer my parents' machines. Less questions.
Re:What would make me try it.. (Score:3, Interesting)
Of course, there's always VMWare and the likes. QEMU also runs on OpenBSD.
Re:What would make me try it.. (Score:2)
NetBSD might be ok for virtualisation if someone ports the kqemu module, which I hope they do,
Re:What would make me try it.. (Score:2)
Re:What would make me try it.. (Score:4, Informative)
Re:What would make me try it.. (Score:2)
Re:What would make me try it.. (Score:2)
And it runs on the Zaurus! (Score:3, Informative)
Fairly impressive list of supported hardware, too.
Too late for DotGNU (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Too late for DotGNU (Score:2)
So dotgnu.org confirms it - BSD died.
A snapshot - for when they have it fixed:
Re:Too late for DotGNU (Score:2)
Re:Too late for DotGNU (Score:2)
Re:Too late for DotGNU (Score:2)
Perhaps they should rename it "dot dot dot pause dash dash dash pause dot dot dot.gnu"?
What the heck, never did like .NET or mono anyway.
Re:Too late for DotGNU (Score:2)
Re:Too late for DotGNU (Score:2)
Assuming you're not in the 0.001% of the population that compiles everything statically for some very specific reason, you'd compile that one library, and possibly reboot so that every single service dynamically linked against it gets the updated version.
I don't think Apache on GNU/Linux is really less
One of the most important things (Score:5, Informative)
Read more about it in this Security Focus article titled Security-related innovation in Unix [securityfocus.com] and in Theo de Raadt's post to misc@ [theaimsgroup.com].
Re:One of the most important things (Score:3, Insightful)
OpenBSD developers that have been popping up the last couple of
weeks seem to imply that the performance hit of the new malloc()
is minimal.
Re:One of the most important things (Score:3, Informative)
OpenBSD developers that have been popping up the last couple of
weeks seem to imply that the performance hit of the new malloc()
is minimal.
Yes, because from memory, they have been working on it for years, specifically trying to get the performance hit down.
Another release song! (Score:3, Funny)
I wish Ubuntu also had that tradition..
(and no, "Badger badger badger badger" is to my knowledge not an official Ubuntu release song)
--
"One doesn't need a large rocket to send a probe to Uranus." ~ Oscar Wilde on Space Travel
ONTOPIC: T-shirts (Score:2, Funny)
Maybe we could have a post from the peng.cx guy ?
Note: This post is on-topic as T-shorts were specifically discussed in the original item.
Would you trust? (Score:3, Funny)
I wouldn't dream of trying a new flavor of *BSD... (Score:3, Funny)
I wrote a guide.... (Score:4, Informative)
I'm in the process of writting for how to do it in Windows.
Check it out and lemme know if something sucks:
http://etherpunk.com/knowbase/index.php/OpenBSD:_
Re:I wrote a guide.... (Score:2)
Aren't Wikis great?
Debian/OpenBSD? (Score:2)
OTOH, I also love Debian. I think it's the best userland package management system I've ever seen. It's less flexible than BSD's roll-your-own userland, but far easier to manage.
What I'd really like is to be able to run Debian on top of the OpenBSD kernel. That would give me the best of both worlds: OpenBSD's stellar kernel, and Debian's amazing package management. I know there u
Gentoo/OpenBSD (Score:2, Troll)
OTOH, I also love Debian. I think it's the best userland package management system I've ever seen. It's less flexible than BSD's roll-your-own userland, but far easier to manage.
If you like debian you'll love Gentoo. emerge, rc-update, etc-update can give you a fully up to date distro every day. The whole idea of major releases goes away.
Re:Gentoo/OpenBSD (Score:2)
I tried Gentoo once... thirty-six hours later, it was still compiling, so I gave up. Sorry, but binary packages are just far too convenient.
Re:Debian/OpenBSD? - GNU/kFreeBSD (Score:2)
Isn't that what Debian GNU/kFreeBSD [debian.org] is?
It even has apt repositories [gnuab.org]
And the best thing... (Score:2)
Album covers! (Score:2)
Re:Album covers! (Score:2)
OpenBSD and Drivers (Score:2)
My question is couldn't they use the available drivers and put some code inbetween the kernel and driver to spot any buffer overruns and security problems.
Almost like sandboxing.
Re:OpenBSD and Drivers (Score:2)
If you mean Linux-kernel drivers, no, because all drivers in OpenBSD are a part of the kernel and GPL code does not get added to the OpenBSD codebase.
some improvements to the OSPF daemon (Score:2)
" some improvements to the OSPF daemon"
What improvements? OpenOSPFD has not been released yet. I cant download it from anywhere. I cant find it.
I'd really like to take a copy of its zipped file, try to compile it for mingw and linux and solaris and install it on ALL my systems. I'd like to make MSI files of it and roll it out on all the WindowsXP machines here. Being OpenBSD, it must be reliable, portable and simple...
Re:some improvements to the OSPF daemon (Score:3, Informative)
Since noone has been bothered to try adding the portability goop to the daemon and send in patches there hasn't been one. You going to step up and give out some code?
Re:or you could give us a torrent link... (Score:3, Informative)
You have to use the FTP sites: http://www.openbsd.org/ftp.html [openbsd.org]
And yeah, they openly admit that this is becasue they want people to buy the CDs.
Please stop whining.
Make your own bootable CD then... (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.pantz.org/os/openbsd/makingaopenbsdcd.
If you don't like these instructions do a quick Google search or something and you'll probably find a few more URLs showing the same thing.
Re:or you could give us a torrent link... (Score:2, Funny)
Although seeing as it's OpenBSD, which is famed for being para
Re:Calm. The. #$@!. Down. It's not that I'm cheap (Score:5, Informative)
I have to download a whole bunch of packages, make FLOPPIES
No, you don't. There is an install CD available. http://www.openbsd.com/faq/faq4.html#MkCD-ROM [openbsd.com]
Download the install ISO, burn to CD, ta-da! Very difficult, indeed...
As someone who has installed OpenBSD before, I can tell you, it's really not that difficult. Download the install CD ISO and follow this: http://www.openbsd.com/faq/faq4.html#Install [openbsd.com]
That's not the whole OS. (Score:2)
The OpenBSD folks copyright the layout of the CD they make so that it can't (legally) be freely made available and must be purchased. This doesn't prevent someone from building their own CD set and making it available, though.
Re:That's not the whole OS. (Score:2)
Re:That's not the whole OS. (Score:2)
Re:Calm. The. #$@!. Down. It's not that I'm cheap (Score:2)
I definitely agree. The install is easier than most linux installs and a lot quicker (well the minimal system is pretty small, but it's all you need for a router). Within an hour you could have a box setup and have PF working thanks to the FAQs and guides.. heck the man pages are even VERY well written.
Re:Calm. The. #$@!. Down. It's not that I'm cheap (Score:2)
Re:Calm. The. #$@!. Down. It's not that I'm cheap (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Re:part 2- not trolling, just a little frustrated (Score:5, Informative)
1. Make your own ISO (http://www.pantz.org/os/openbsd/makingaopenbsdcd
2. Download an inofficial ISO (http://www.hup.hu/modules.php?name=News&file=art
Both of these steps should of course be followed by buying at least something from the OpenBSD store at http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html [openbsd.org]
Re:part 2- not trolling, just a little frustrated (Score:3, Informative)
Re:part 2- not trolling, just a little frustrated (Score:5, Informative)
Quick and painless. Try it, you'll like it.
Re:part 2- not trolling, just a little frustrated (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:part 2- not trolling, just a little frustrated (Score:2)
I want to quickly download, install, poke around.
I can download the OpenBSD install CD, burn it, install it, and have a working system in less time than it takes me to download most Linux distros, especially since distros like Fedora, Mandriva, and SUSE (or OpenSUSE, whatever it's called now) have 3+ ISOs @ 650-700MB each to download.
(I don't know, maybe that's a slight exageration, but that's sure the way it feels
Re:part 2- not trolling, just a little frustrated (Score:2)
The others have already mentioned the boot CD + FTP, but I'd like to add that OpenBSD is even easier to install entirely over the network. There's no need to waste time and natural resources burning anything to a CD.
This is very easy to do, and all you need is DHCP and TFTP on another machine. The rest of the process is exactly the same. See PXEBOOT(8) [openbsd.org].
Re:part 2- not trolling, just a little frustrated (Score:2, Informative)
It's a little frustrating when I want to try OpenBSD, and I can't because there's no ISO to FTP or torrent...I want to quickly download, install, poke around. Not spend $X on a CD, wait for it to come in the mail...
If your sole purpose is to just "poke around" and try out OpenBSD, there are plenty [google.com] of people offering workable unofficial ISOs that are functionally equivalent. Sabotage.org [sabotage.org] has one that I've used; if you have requirements that demand a feature only available in the latest version, you are we
Re:part 2- not trolling, just a little frustrated (Score:2, Informative)
Have I got a tip for you. Here's a provider of free OpenBSD accounts you can SSH to:
http://www.metawire.org/about.php [metawire.org]
All you have to do is send in an email request explaining that you want to learn about OpenBSD, and they'll set you up with a free account. (It may take a day or two; that's the price you pay for a free shell). Enjoy!
Re:T-Shirts are Dandy and All.. (Score:2)
http://bsd.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/25/1
Re:T-Shirts are Dandy and All.. (Score:5, Insightful)
Totally invisible is the right phrase (Score:2)
Re:When you say "out" (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:When you say "out" (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:When you say "out" (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:When you say "out" (Score:2)
Oh, no you don't (Score:2)
Sorry, but you don't get a free pass on that one. We're rolling out FreeBSD 6.0-RC1 (release candidate) servers this week. Dying OSes tend not to be under active development and wide deployment.
Re:When you say "out" (Score:2)
That's just trolling bullshit. FreeBSD is doing fine.
How do you know how fast the developers would prefer it to catch-on? It hasn't been around very long at all, it's impossible to say if it will get a strong following. I know as soon as I hear they've started using a microkernel, I'll be taking a real close look at it.
If your only interest is security or a firewall, you could say
Re:When you say "out" (Score:2)
Their plans don't include microkernels. They're using messaging because they think that is easier to maintain and will possibly perform better than the finely grained locking you see in FreeBSD, Linux, and most other OSes designed to use large numbers of processors. The kernel will still be in one address space.
Re:We are dorks (Score:5, Insightful)
See theo's post [theaimsgroup.com] to misc@.
Re:We are dorks (Score:5, Informative)
Re:We are dorks (Score:5, Insightful)
Some important security features have gone into this release (see, for example, this presentation [openbsd.org]), security that are almost certainly not found in any operating system you can mention. Besides the obvious benefit of making OpenBSD more secure, these features help catch bugs, and already some years-old bugs have already been caught. When these bugs are fixed, other systems using the software the bugs were in becomes more secure, too.
Personally, I am very impressed with how many security features the OpenBSD team manage to put in their system, without great sacrifices in standard-compliance and performance. I'm much more impressed by that than what great new features for games developers Microsoft has integrated, or how their new GUI toolkit makes their interface less ugly, or how Linux supports yet another hardware gadget, or how yet another distro promises that they will cause Linux to topple Microsoft.
In today's world that is run by computers, we need security. Worms, botnets, trojans, automated and directed break ins, website defacements, spam, and information theft demonstrate that we aren't there yet. OpenBSD seems to be the only OS project that seems to fully realize this _and_ have a production-ready system available. There is still much to be desired, but they're much further than the competition.
Re:We are dorks (Score:2)
OpenBSD 3.8 is not a kernel, it's an O/S. (Score:2)
I really hate it when linux watch
Re:Secure Heap Implementation (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Theo's an asshole and OpenBSD is over rated (Score:2)
Re:Theo's an asshole and OpenBSD defcon4 (Score:2)
Re:Theo's an asshole and OpenBSD defcon4 (Score:2)
Re:Theo's an asshole and OpenBSD is over rated (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Why not? I'll tell you why not. (Score:3, Insightful)
Sure, it's not newbie friendly (however, installed in conjunction with the Install Guide, a newbie can install it - I was an OpenBSD newbie once and I didn't have a problem with it). Once you've installed it on a couple of machines it is EXTREMELY fast to install. These days I typically PXE boot the installer, and I can go from a blank machine to a working OpenBSD system in around 5 minutes. This is something that cannot be done with a GUI installer.
OpenBSD is not
Re:50 bucks (Score:3, Interesting)
Torrents (Score:3, Informative)
There are torrents [somedomain.net] too:
Re:There's no downloadable image - YET (Score:2)
Re:Ladies (Score:2)
Re:Ladies (Score:2)
In all seriousness, all those years of wearing Linux t-shirts just got me silly looks. But I often get stopped with comments about my OpenBSD shirts, usually by chicks and gay dudes.