FreeBSD Status Report March-April 2004 63
Anonymous Coward writes "The FreeBSD project has posted a new status report
for March and April of 2004. Work continues on locking down the network
stack, ACPI made more great strides, an ARM port appeared in the tree,
and the FreeBSD 4.10 release cycle wrapped up."
An ARM port eh? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:An ARM port eh? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:An ARM port eh? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:An ARM port eh? (Score:2)
Re:An ARM port eh? (Score:2)
PowerPC port (Score:3, Informative)
The current status of the FreeBSD on PowerPC is here [freebsd.org]
Short version: It's a Tier 2 [freebsd.org] architecture which means it's not quite there yet. According to the project page it's "on the verge of booting to single-user mode".
Re:PowerPC port (Score:2, Informative)
Re:PowerPC port (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:An ARM port eh? (Score:2)
They aren't the same as FreeBSD, of course, but the differences are quite small.
Re:An ARM port eh? (Score:2)
Re:An ARM port eh? (Score:2)
OpenBSD has split from NetBSD, but it was quite a long time ago, and much has changed since then. I find that all three are about equally different from one-another, on the user level, administrative level, and at the source-code level.
A matter of opinion of course...
Interesting note from the SMPng status report.. (Score:3, Interesting)
Same Alan Cox of Linux kernel hacking fame? Woot! We've attracted him to the dark side... ;)
Re:Interesting note from the SMPng status report.. (Score:2, Informative)
Something tells me I once saw an FAQ list once that involved this same question but I could be wrong
Re:Interesting note from the SMPng status report.. (Score:3, Funny)
Something else reimplemented to avoid the evil GPL?
Re:Interesting note from the SMPng status report.. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Interesting note from the SMPng status report.. (Score:2, Funny)
2nd RULE: You DO NOT talk about FREEBSD PATCHES.
3rd RULE: If the code says "stop" or goes coredump, the commit bit is over.
4th RULE: Only two comitters to a patch.
5th RULE: One patch at a time.
6th RULE: No GPL, no adware.
7th RULE: Commits will go on as long as they have to.
8th RULE: If this is your first night at FREEBSD.ORG, you HAVE to PATCH.
Re:Interesting note from the SMPng status report.. (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Misplaced effort (Score:5, Informative)
Comment removed (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:PF and ALTQ (Score:5, Insightful)
FreeBSD is something i'd put on a critical nfs/http/ftp server or something
OpenBSD is something I'd put on a Pentium 200Mhz box to keep that nfs/http/ftp box safe.
Nothing prevents you from doing either one with either operating system. It's just about preference
Re:PF and ALTQ (Score:4, Interesting)
What you'll notice with OpenBSD is that you're discouraged from messing with the kernel at all, and ports work better. Theoretically, you may notice it's slower, and you'll probably notice that the software isn't as up to date. Debian-stable should also be in consideration, depending on your needs, but its firewalling capabilities are well behind FreeBSD and OpenBSD.
You're giving something up if you commit to anything period. FreeBSD and OpenBSD have dramatically disjoint sets of stuff they're good at. I've never seen an OS good enough at everything (or even most things) to make it worth commiting to. Not if you can deal with multiple OSes on a day to day basis.
Re:PF and ALTQ (Score:2)
Re:PF and ALTQ (Score:1)
"In test environments, we have run up to 4 pfsync+carp hosts (all different architectures: i386, sparc, sparc64, and amd64!), randomly rebooting them. TCP sessions were not interrupted through over two days of such torture testing."
Linux has UCARP, but has no way for the stateful firewall to do transparent failover.
Don't really feel like researching enough detail for a comprehensive summary of the other stuff.
Re:PF and ALTQ (Score:2)
FreeBSD - Good general purpose server OS, and my 'nix of choice on x86
OpenBSD - Good firewall/network-device OS, runs wonderfully on good hardware (like old SPARCs) Though it can often be behind the ball in places you'd least expect it until you run into them head-on, out of nowhere. (Like when I tried the sparc64 port on my Netra, and it ran slowly, and didn't like more than 2 hme network interfaces)
NetBSD - Tinkerer's
Re:PF and ALTQ (Score:2, Insightful)
I think the advantages of FreeBSD are drivers ( for newer toys ), speed, and that jail thing ( which I have not actually used ) which AFAIK lets you run a virtual machine chroot thing. Also, freebsd ( and netbsd ) have automagical update the ports/packages tools and things. On openbsd you need to pkg_delete them yourself.
Other than that, I think OpenBSD is the ticket. Lots of people seem to think OpenBsd is only a firewall OS... which is unfortunate. OpenBSD works fine as a standard server
Re:Good Work! (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Good Work! (Score:2)
One true ports system? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:One true ports system? (Score:5, Informative)
The reason why FreeBSD's port system has grown so quickly is probably because there's only been one architecture they had to 'port' applications across to. It would be slowed down if they had to unify the ports system to support not only multi-platform architectures, but also the differences between the kernels for each BSD project.
However, this reminded me of this [netbsd.org]. NetBSD's package collection actually has released their pkgsrc collection to both FreeBSD and OpenBSD.
Re:One true ports system? (Score:2, Informative)
NetBSD
OpenBSD
FreeBSD
Linux
Solaris
Irix
Re:One true ports system? (Score:2)
The problem is that pkgsrcs ports collection is not as complete as the freebsd ports collection. It has some extra features but the number of ports is lacking.
If freebsd was to adopt pkgsrc then the development effort would be unified and a more uniform set of ports would be available to everybody.
Re:One true ports system? (Score:2)
On OpenBSD, apache and perl are part of the base system. bzip2 is not.
On FreeBSD, bzip2 is part of the base system. Apache and perl are not.
There are probably more examples.
dead trees! (Score:5, Interesting)
I know a birthday present for this year!