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Printing for the Impatient using ApsFilter 50

BSD Forums writes "While Unix has roots in document formatting and layout, configuring printers has always required more black-arts arcana. This hasn't been helped by the appearance of low-cost commodity WinPrinters. Fortunately, tools like Ghostscript, gimp-print, and Apsfilter make configuring printers much easier. Michael Lucas demonstrates quick and dirty -- and working -- printer configuration."
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Printing for the Impatient using ApsFilter

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  • That's sad.... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Creepy Crawler ( 680178 ) on Saturday November 08, 2003 @11:33PM (#7427024)
    Back in the old SysV days, you HAD to go through a convoluted filter set and queue system to do about anything. If yoy're still doing it this way, you're insane.

    The best way to print anything now is using CUPS. Easy to set up and administer. Who WOULDNT want to use it?
    • Re:That's sad.... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by edhall ( 10025 ) <slashdot@weirdnoise.com> on Sunday November 09, 2003 @05:07AM (#7427902) Homepage

      If you feel that way, install the CUPS port and be happy. When it works for a given situation (about 85% of the time) CUPS is simple and fast to set up. But when things go wrong, you'll see just how complicated CUPS really is. It's nice to have a simpler (implementation-wise) method available to deal with such situations.

      Your post is so typical of what I see on Slashdot these days. Why use BSD when you have Linux? Why use some other processor when you have Intel? Why use another browser when you have Mozilla? It's the high-school herd mentality. It's "geek chic." It's a lazy way to avoid learning in depth and developing your own base of experiences and opinions.

      It's depressing.

      -Ed
      • Re:That's sad.... (Score:2, Interesting)

        by i18rabbit ( 722818 )
        Why is this a 5 (or even interesting):

        That's sad.... (Score:5, Interesting)
        The best way to print anything now is using
        CUPS. Easy to set up and administer. Who
        WOULDNT want to use it?

        When this is a 4?

        Re:That's sad.... (Score:4, Insightful)
        Your post is so typical of what I see on
        Slashdot these days ...

        The first comment was totally stupid with no
        substance or relevance, and should be a -1 or
        less. The second comment was very
        substantive and intelligent and deserves
        a book of
        • >>>The first comment was totally stupid with no
          substance or relevance, and should be a -1 or
          less. The second comment was very
          substantive and intelligent and deserves
          a book of deep thought and commentary.

          The second comment had just as much substance as I did.

          >>>It exposes a small symptom in the technology
          arena that appears to be on the rise
          throughout society; the result of turning
          spankings into "time-outs", republics
          into "democracies", and individualism into
          "collectivism".

          Let me guess..
          • >Let me guess.. A liberal arts major?

            you guess wrong.

            >This sure as hell isnt a hacker-type forum. This place is
            a "Windows Hater" forum. All people do is monger about how
            Linux will rescue us from the evils of properitary software,
            while many of us fawn over the same damned lockin of Apple's
            OSX. If any category hit this place, it's full of hipocrites.

            http://bsd.slashdot.org

            1. This is supposed to be a BSD forum.
            not a "Windows Hater" forum, nor a Linux forum. BSD's
            have never held the ac
    • Re:That's sad.... (Score:4, Insightful)

      by TheRaven64 ( 641858 ) on Sunday November 09, 2003 @06:12AM (#7428049) Journal
      What, exactly, does CUPS give me? To configure my printer under FreeBSD I needed to add two lines to /etc/printcap. How is installing another piece of software easier and better than that?
      • by Sits ( 117492 ) on Sunday November 09, 2003 @03:58PM (#7430041) Homepage Journal
        C'mon tr, you should know better than this. A quick dig on the CUPS website would quickly reveal an overview page [cups.org] detailing a raft of features that differentiate it from a standard LPR set up. Here's a brief run down of some of the feaures provided:

        Cross platform system for network printing (did you know that CUPS is available for Windows as well as OS X, *BSD and Linux?).

        The ability for printers to shared in such a way that a remote machine can automatically discover and print to a remote printer without having expliclty been configured to see it (Windows has been doing this for years. It's good to see this simplicity spreading elsewhere) while still announcing the capabilities of that printer.

        Support for many (non postscript) backends that other printing systems may not (including things like samba for printers shared via Windows).

        Queueing systems so that you can set documents to be printed to the first available printer on a network.

        If your printer is non postscript (which many are), configuring CUPS may be a whole lot easier than trying to set up a magicfilter chain to do the right thing.

        Sure, in your case perhaps editing printcap was "better and easier" but that doesn't mean that choice shouldn't be there for those not so fortunate to have a postscript printer, need sophisticated queing or have to set up a dozens of computers to print.
    • Tell me how to print from StarOffice using CUPS and I'll have another go...
    • Re:That's sad.... (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Nickus ( 10876 )
      CUPS is nice for a small setup with not that many printers. Add a lot of printers, a lot of different ppd files and you really have a nightmare. We were so happy when Apple decided to go with CUPS as their printing system but ever since then we have had nothing but problems. If someone knows how to solve duplex printing on large OCE printers please let me know.
      • interesting (Score:1, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward
        We were so happy when Apple decided to go with CUPS as their printing system

        I was a 'happy user' of LPRng 'till I heard Apple was making CUPS thier print engine of choice.

        Then I moved to CUPS, hopin for a 'eaiser' printing future. The comment about having Add a lot of printers, a lot of different ppd files and you really have a nightmare prompts me to ask - what is 'another' option?

        Straight BSD lpr is a non-option. AIX had a 'nice' print spooler, if you didn't SMIT and reboots. (and, well, it was
    • I don't have the opportunity to use cups. My FreeBSD box sits in a Macintosh computer lab at a music research centre. The printer is a remote ethernet printer. It is postscript though, so it was easy to set up using LPR, and I just send documents straight to its ip address. Considering how easy it was to set up, I don't see the need for CUPS anyway, even if it could have been done that way :p
  • by BrokenHalo ( 565198 ) on Saturday November 08, 2003 @11:52PM (#7427089)
    Apsfilter has been the default UI on Slackware for years. Takes 5 minutes to setup printers (even over networks).

    CUPS is fine if it works out of the box. If it doesn't do that, you can be stuck without a working printer for a long time while you ramble through woefully inadequate documentation.

    • I had major problems setting up apsfilter with an HP5550 (selected because of claimed compatibility). I could get good but not great output through aps filter. I find that both of them have really bad documentation (although half of the problem was with a bug in the hpijs port.) In both cases printing was a bit harder than it needed to be.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    When I was just starting out, getting the printer configured was actually the hardest part of working with the operating system. All these filters, and trying to figure out how to pipe the stuff properly to the device or use something like lpq.

    It's definitely time for an all-in-one one stop solution to the problem. Some sort of program that configures these filters automatically on your dead or dying operating system, and now it looks like there's a bit of hope. Creating and working with Word documents

  • by luphus ( 201537 )
    Maybe I didn't poke through the documentation enough, but I never figured out how to make cups accept remote jobs. I figured it'd be a snap to get a cups based OS X box to print to a cups printserver... Anyway, after much messing around I finally settled on magicfilter and lprng, although I'm sure apsfilter would work. Magicfilter had an script using the gdi driver that I was able to tweek to make my goofy samsung laser (ML1710) happy.

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