Future JDK Ports For FreeBSD

schvin writes: "While this does require a free logon, please comment over at the Java Developer Connection to request that Sun port future JDK releases to FreeBSD. You can vote here. "

Re:Why?

[mr]

>Oh don't bother asking for proof.

That is because she can't actually prove her claim.

Re:They don't seem to listen

[aliya]

Ignored by Sun? What makes you say that? Sure, they didn't send you a goddamn thank-you note, but they do review the RFEs and act on them.

No, they do not. They haven't even responded to the RFE, as they have to those under it. There is a thread on the Apache lists from someone at Sun saying that there is a "lack of interest". So far Sun has ignored numerous requests for clarifictation on this matter.

Sounds like you need a little hand holding. Or, you should grab the blackdown source, get a license, and port the damn thing to FreeBSD yourself.

Third party development is prohibited by the license, specifically in the JIT, without which there isn't much purpose in the JDK.

They don't seem to listen

[Baki]

This has been the top RFE (request for enhancement) for months. In february I already posted on the RFE list:

Why does the top RFE not even have a feedback / evaluation answer from SUN?

What is the use of the whole RFE mechanism if the top RFE simply gets ignored?


I find it very frustrating that SUN doesn't even give any feedback, but simply ignores the by far most requested RFE for Java.

Very unfortunate for me, as while I am attached to FreeBSD, at the moment I develop Java full-time (though I'd prefer C++) and I need a decent Java implementation on my main platform.

If I have to use the Linux version (together with the Linux tools, linux Netscape, Oracle) then I'm almost only using FreeBSD to emulate Linux. Then I might as well simply use Linux, sigh...

Re:Why?

[Duke of URL]

First of all the TrustedBSD project is not is own separate OS.
From the TrustedBSD [trustedbsd.org] site:

"TrustedBSD provides a set of trusted operating system extensions to the FreeBSD operating system, targeting the Common Criteria for Information Technology Security Evaluation (CC). This project is still under development, and much of the code is destined to make its way back into the base FreeBSD operating system.."

Secondly, its not Linux emulation as it appears you think it is when you said:

In this situation, you wouldn't want to be emulating another OS, you'd want to stay native. I have no idea if the linux emulation will take advantage of multiple processors, but if not, you could well be losing out

Its not emulation like runnning VirtualPC's software that allows Macs to run Windows. It is Linux compatible.

As see on FreeBSD site:http://www.freebsd.org/features.html [freebsd.org]

"Compatibility modules enable programs for other operating systems to run on FreeBSD, including programs for Linux, SCO, NetBSD, and BSDI.

Result: users will not have to recompile programs already compiled for one of the compatible OS's, and will have access to a greater selection of off-the-shelf software, like the Microsoft FrontPage Server extensions for BSDI or WordPerfect for SCO."

See also the OpenBSD man page [openbsd.org] for Linux compatiblity to get more info on another BSD's linux compat.

Re:Why?

[General_Corto]

The point of the exercise is to get the most out of the FreeBSD system you own... let's say (as a simple example) that you're running a big website that uses a lot of servlets to achieve some cool customization, and you get *lots* of hits each day. In this situation, you wouldn't want to be emulating another OS, you'd want to stay native. I have no idea if the linux emulation will take advantage of multiple processors, but if not, you could well be losing out (I know I would be).

Another useless point on the subject: There are now 4 different BSDs that I know about (Free, Open, Net, Trusted), and it would probably make the porting exercise to the others a lot easier if we have source for a BSD-friendly version of the JDK available from Sun. I understand there may be third-party patches around too, but hey, if Sun feels the need to support a Linux distro of the JDK, I'd rather not feel like the less-loved sibling in the free-OS family :)

Re:Why?

[lomion]

*BSD, which is perceived as hopelessly fragmented and only getting ever-more-so (you forgot the recently announced SecureBSD on your list of *BSDs,

That is not toatlly correct, TrustedBSD is mean to be a secure OS at the Orange Book level. If you;d research you'd see that many of the changes are intended to go back into FreeBSD from which it will be based. This isn't a new distribution of FreeBSD but a specific application of an OS, similar to TrustedSolaris or TrustedIrix. Are they different distributions of Solaris or Irix as well?

As for their being mupltiple distributions. They various BSDs are not all distributions of the same thing, they are seperate OSes sharing a common source. Maybe it is semantics, but that is an important distinction to be made. And BSD/OS is going away for the most part probably it's codebase (except for NDA stuff) will be merged with FreeBSD to form a new, improved(TM) FreeBSd.

Re:Why?

[mr]

Gee, and you are anonymous because you are afraid to have your name tied to a troll?

What 'proof' do you have to your claims?

You should be able to provide proof...unless you are as worthless a troll as the original poster of this thread.