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BSD Quickies 98

Posted by Nik from the roll-up-roll-up dept.
A few bits and pieces on the BSD front in the recent past. Scott Bartram announced that JDK 1.1.8 is now available for NetBSD-current/i386. Over at LinuxWorld, Jonathan Bresler sent in this e-mail about BSD related activities. Sun are releasing source code for NFS under the SISSL (and boosting funding for a Linux only effort to implement v4, sigh). Anti Basic wants you to know that you can now pre-order FreeBSD 4.0 from the FreeBSD Mall. And finally, this month's edition of DaemonNews hit the stands a few days ago, including a particularly interesting article by Greg Lehey, outlining his work on software RAID, Vinum.
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  • Seen in a computer store a while ago: "Free BSD $39.95"
  • Have not heard about any FreeBSD IPO's. Is any company making $$ off it?
  • Well, part of it is production costs. The rest is donated to the FreeBSD Project. Open Source projects need funding, too. And consider this: is every Linux distribution you can buy on CD made by a company that did an IPO? Who do you think released Red Hat 5.2? That was way before the Red Hat IPO. IPO has nothing to do with it, as far as I can see.

    Intosi

  • This pisses me off a lot. (Score:3)

    by Dacta ( 24628 ) on Saturday February 05, 2000 @02:45AM (#1303403)

    This isn't meant to be flamebait, or a troll. I really can't work this out, and I'd like to here what people have to say.

    Link off deamonnews site ( here [egroups.com] if you don't believe me)

    Linus dispargaged BSD in his keynote...guess he must be feeling the heat at little.

    Now, I wasn't there, so I may be wrong about this, but, I heard about the way some guy got up during the question time after Linus' keynote and asked him something about how he felt having all these companies moving to Linux, when BSD is a technicically superior operating system.

    Linus handled it quite well, saying there is a place for both operating systems, etc, etc..

    (From linuxworld.com:

    Another gentleman asked why Linux was doing so well compared to FreeBSD, a technically superior OS. Linus replied that luck and timing certainly had a hand in Linux's success relative to FreeBSD, but he added, "It's not just all about technology." He underscored the point that Linux has an active community behind it, not just a few people writing good software.

    )

    How do you get "dispargaged", or "feeling the heat" from that?

    Now I use Linux, WinNT, and I've used NetBSD on a sun3, so don't call me an anti BSD bigot or something, but what the hell?

    What's with the big chip on (it seems) most BSDers shoulders? Most Linux people know about BSD, but choose not to use it - perhaps from laziness, or whatever. Why do you get so annoyed about it? BSD has its places, and perhaps one day it will replace Linux, or Linux will replace it. Who cares?

    And a comment like that, at Linuxworld.. well, if it had been on Slashdot, it would have been moderated out of existance as a Uber-Troll.

    It's all free software, right? Please - enough of the stupid anti-Linux comments. Aim them at MS, or Solaris if you want more of a challenge/

  • Woah! (Score:1)

    by havoc- ( 26282 )
    Dig these sassy chicks: http://www.freebsd.org/~jkh/lw2000/ [freebsd.org]

  • The rest is donated to the FreeBSD Project

    Like individual coders getting that money? Hm.. And what is the publishing company name, public or not...

  • If you are refering to the Walnut Creek CD's (which you probably are), then I believe that yes, some of the proceeds are donated to FreeBSD, bit they do make a profit out of it.

    OTOH, I could sell you FreeBSD for $199.95, and not donate anything to the project, and I'd be nothing wrong. Is this a shock to you or something? You can do the same with Linux, you know - although with Linux you have to make the source code available, but with BSD you don't.

  • I'm not shocked by this. I have been aware of this a long time. I also know WC makes money out of the CDs. I don't care. Look what we (not just BSD people) get in return: ftp.cdrom.com. It's worth sponsoring that.. That (and because I'd like to support the Project) is why I have a subscription on the FreeBSD CDROMs from Walnut Creek.

    Intosi

  • you're right they aren't that attractive... but in a world of horney net geeks...

    merging something nerdy and something sexy is just too much for geeks to handle... ie the Network Associates "who's watching your network" set of AD's
  • 20 seconds of browsing on his webpage would have told you that.

    He is open about it, his life partner is Eric Allman.

  • 1. I imagine most of the primo showroom models turn up their nose at any tech show that isn't COMDEX.

    2. Sexism isn't isolated to BSD, and you should be ashamed of yourself for trying to single it out. Women aren't prevalent in any field of computer technology: not BSD, not Linux, not hardware, nowhere. You'll find women in all of these fields, but face it -- computers are still a boy's club, and they're going to stay that way for a long time. I can't think of any sort of initiative that attempts to put more women into the industry. I feel sorry for those daemon babes. The second they walked in they must've been overwhelmed by the testosterone-laden geek stink.

    We may just as well keep on saying "smart is sexy" until it's true. I'm not holding my breath.


    ---
  • They're not releaseing RPC source. They're releasing the NFS interface/protocol. And really for anyone wanting to write NFS clients and servers the protocol is the hardest bit. We have no trouble at all making the protocol to OS hooks - we've written lots of file systems before. This is not a non-trivial release.
  • Walnut Creek is the publisher of the CDs.

    WC also employs many big names (and some not so big names) who work on FreeBSD. Besides paying their salaries, the money goes to buy/maintain boxes like beast, builder, freefall, hub, and all of the other nifty boxes available for the world and developers to use/test stuff on.

    But if you aren't employeed by WC, you do it for the love of the project :)

  • Re:"Daemon babes" (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    1. No offense, but they weren't all that attractive.

    So sorry that they didn't attract you. What usually attracts you to women? What can we do to better serve your lesbian desires?

    2. *BSD people, what's up with the sexism? Aren't we past that? As one of the token fems who showed up at Linux World, next time I want a daemon dude to pose with! Besides, given *BSD's roots in McKusick's closet, I expect that daemon dudes would appeal to your large gay clientele....

    Is/was McKusick closeted? I didn't notice. Seems pretty out to me.

  • I agree it was sexist, but obviously the target audience was reached. One of those "Daemon Babes" is actually rather technical (and a friend of Mike Smith's) As far as attractive, I dunno, you gotta talk to the little linux geeks that were ogling them the whole time. I wasn;t really paying attention, I was too busy to promoting around the conference. As far as Kirk's sexuality, that personally is not the business of Slashdot, or anyone else, and personally I'm appalled at the fact someone brought it up. While its common knowledge, So The F*** What? Lets keep to the topics at hand. BSD did very well at the conference, I wasn't there for Linus' keynote, as I was at work, but people had a lot of good things to say about our presence. Yes, the booth was an obvious marketing tactic, did it work, yes, did I approve, not totally, not my decision though. I still stand behind all three Open Source BSD projects out there -Pat
  • You'll find that the majority of Free/Net/OpenBSDers are not anti-linux, we have our preferences. Just because of a few vocal people, that are anti-linux/GNU you make the generality that all of us are.

    theres alot of Linux/GNU people that are anti-BSD but we don't use that to cloud our judgement, we're all on the same team, just different methods of going about it.

    Next time you are at a conference, come on over and talk to a BSD person. You'll find its a pleasant experience.

    The only thing we get annoyed about is the fact that we sometimes get left out of the large Open Source gatehring type things, and well...we're still large enough (and growing) to have a vocal contingent about it. However most of us are too busy hacking code to complain most of the time.

    -Pat
  • "What's up with the Sexism?" followed by gay-bashing. Ooh, that makes alot of sense.
  • Stop crying. Linus isn't feeling "the heat" by *bsd. Thats just stupid. Linus/Alan has said a number of positive comments about Freebsd over the years. They do not believe freebsd to be a superior technology, so how else do you expect them to respond?? It is commonly accepted that *bsd is more "mature" in some areas, this comes from having a code base that has been around for so long.
  • People can run whatever operating systems they need or want to run.

    I think the chips on the shoulder you see are either directed at the companies raking in the IPO dough or the "open source/closed mind" zealots.

    A quick poll amoung the folks at a recent Unix users group meeting showed that the majority of them ran Sun or some other traditional vendors software on their machines at work.

    As far as their at home choice or alternative, it depend on their needs. Some liked Linux for its large number of applications. Others prefered FreeBSD for easy of configuration or OpenBSD for it's security. The general feeling was that Unix is just Unix.

    The major concern amoung the Linux users was the quality of the distribution. With ease of install improving, security seem to be a primary concern. It would be nice if the main distro vendors took some clues from OpenBSD. There were also some concerns with the quality of Redhat's latest offerings. One person called it the "IPO" illness, where the quality of a companies product suffers after the IPO.

  • It seems that the 1.1.8 RC1 JDK news item (BTW, from January 5th ;-)) is not announced here [quick.com.au] - this page has not been updated for five months. From netbsd.org I can 'only' find FTP links. Is there another 'official' NetBSD JDK page?
  • A better question. Does anyone know how much code written for Freebsd was inspired by code written for Linux. Answer: Some, but the same is true for Linux.

  • Re:Quantity of Linux code in *BSD? (Score:2)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Perhaps you missed out on the licensing issue. The BSD license allows BSD-licensed code to be included under almost any license, including GPL. However, GPL'd code may not be released under a BSD license as the GPL strictly prohibits a number of things that the BSD license allows. As such, the FreeBSD people cannot include, say, Linux kernel code in the FreeBSD kernel because the GPL would then have to be applied to all FreeBSD code, something that the BSD folk consider undesirable, as they want to retain the current license.

    In the body of the FreeBSD distribution you'll find a great deal of GPL'd code, including the gcc compiler. However, that is GNU code, and not Linux code, per se. You'll also find code for Linux emulation (such as glibc), but that is used only for Linux emulation--FreeBSD applications use the BSD libc, under BSD license.

    rwatson

  • if its geeked chicks that you are looking for check out bsd babes [cyberarmy.com]
  • Hrm... I only saw one that looked of questionable age, the others looked 19-22&1/2 range and were quite attractive and age-appropriate for drooling dirty-old-men like myself! ;-)

    (this one [freebsd.org] being my favorite)

  • I guess you missed it..

    given *BSD's roots in McKusick's closet, I expect that daemon dudes would appeal to your large gay clientele....

    Maybe 'bashing' is too strong a term, but for sure there is something screwey about complaining about sexism and then turning right around and hinting that the *BSD crowd has a disproportionate number of gays.
  • I wasn't suggesting that the "heat" was from BSD itself (that may or may not be the case, but it's not part of this discussion), I was directly referring to the comment made about Linus at LWE, that he was feeling heat in the form of questions such as the one that was asked, and in his response, he disparaged BSD by implying it was [only] "a few people".

    You, like the person who started this thread, need to stay on topic. He was trying to work it out, but by the end of his post it turned into something it shouldn't (but always does.)
  • And consider this: is every Linux distribution you can buy on CD made by a company that did an IPO? Who do you think released Red Hat 5.2? That was way before the Red Hat IPO. IPO has nothing to do with it, as far as I can see.

    Red Hat, hell, think Debian if you're looking for an analogy to the free-software BSDs.

    The page on the Debian site listing vendors of CDs [debian.org] says:

    Some vendors allow customers to pay extra money and donate this to Debian. Others contribute a portion of sales of Debian CDs back to Debian. This is denoted under the entry 'Allows Contribution to Debian.' We hope that you will consider making a donation to Debian.

    (It also says

    Debian does not manufacture its own CDs, but relies on 3rd party vendors.

    which is again similar to FreeBSD, at least, and perhaps the other free-software BSDs.)

  • That's true. The main thing there is the ext2fs code, by the way. It's there because, if you need to, you can rip out all of the "gnu" directories from the source tree, distribute them, and not have to distribute any more to satisfy the GPL. As I recall, restrictive-licensed stuff is kept in both "gnu" directories and "contrib" directories.

    --

  • Same old same old (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    As usual, the same old advocacy stuff is presented as "news". Anyone notice how there is no real bsd news? Same old Nik Clayton circle jerk. You pull mine, and I'll pull yours. Then we will post it as "news".

    For an idea of what a liar Clayton is, his real email addres is nik@freebsd.org. He hides behind his /. address hoping that he will fool people. Can you imagine a legitimate news organization allowing advocates to masquerade as journalists? What would the outcry be if the New York Times started printing Microsoft press releases as "news"? Think about it.

  • Re:Quantity of Linux code in *BSD? (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Yes, it's in the tree, as is softupdates, which is also under a restrictive license. However, neither is compiled into the kernel by default, and must be specifically enabled. Presumably it would be in violation of the GPL to distributed a compiled FreeBSD kernel in binary form without also making the entire FreeBSD kernel available under GPL.
  • They're not releaseing RPC source.

    Yes, they are. Sun's announcement [sun.com] says:

    NEW YORK, NY -- February 2, 2000 -- Sun Microsystems Inc. today made three important announcements as part of its ongoing efforts to advance the Internet through open standards:
    it is releasing the source code for a key component of the Network File System (NFS) protocol under the new Sun Industry Standards Source License; it will double the level of funding it began last year for a University of Michigan project to develop a Linux implementation of NFS version 4; and, finally, it will release its rights to the NFS trademark.

    The Network File Sharing System (NFS) file access protocol - originally introduced by engineers at Sun Microsystems in 1985 - allows users the convenience of accessing and sharing remote files across the network. The key component of NFS that Sun is releasing to the open source community today is known as Transport Independent Remote Procedure Call protocol, or TI-RPC. TI-RPC is one of the foundations of NFS, and a key component of the security advancements in version 4. TI-RPC provides technology that allows developers to create efficient, network-scalable client-server applications.

    (emphasis mine).

    Now, they have, in fact, released pre-TI-RPC source [sun.com], and older versions of the TI-RPC source, under a rather unrestrictive license; one of those is used in FreeBSD (and probably the other BSDs; I don't have 4.4-Lite source handy at home to check whether it had that source, but I think it did) for userland ONC RPC support. I don't know whether glibc has its own independent ONC RPC implementation for stuff such as NIS.

    I suspect that one reason they're releasing the current version of TI-RPC is that it will presumably include an implementation of GSSAPI authentication and of the Kerberos V5 flavor of same, to use as a sample implementation, given the comments about TI-RPC being "a key component of the security advancements in version 4" (which I think might refer to stronger authentication than AUTH_UNIX a/k/a AUTH_SYS being required).

    They're releasing the NFS interface/protocol.

    "Releasing" in what sense? The NFS V2 spec [isi.edu] and the NFS V3 spec [isi.edu] (along with the ONC RPC spec [isi.edu], the XDR spec [isi.edu], the portmapper/RPCBIND spec [isi.edu], the specs for the DES and Kerberos (V4) authentication mechanisms for ONC RPC [isi.edu], the spec for the GSSAPI authentication mechanism in ONC RPC [isi.edu], and information on using Kerberos V5 as a GSSAPI flavor in ONC RPC [isi.edu]) have been publicly available for a while. (The NFS specs also include the specs for the corresponding versions of the mount protocol, although they don't cover the small change Larry McVoy made to create V2 of the mount protocol; Sun screwed up and didn't put the lock manager protocol into the V2 spec, and the V3 spec only lists what changed between earlier versions and the lock manager V4 that goes with NFS V3, so for a while it was only available as part of an expensive X/Open document, but the "XNFS" document with it [opengroup.org] is now available online.)

  • Re:Same old same old (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    You're right--the integrity of the slashdot journalists should be seriously called into question now that slashdot is owned by VALinux, a commercial linux distributor--after all, while nik may not be taking a paycheck from the FreeBSD folks, rob and others certainly are from VALinux.

    What crap. A large number of Linux advocacy-related articles appear on slashdot on a regular basis, including requests to vote in "make this software available for linux", rumors of possible (but not even confirmed) software releases for linux, and awards handed out by the linux community to the linux community for linux activities, which really doesn't count as "news" by your definition.

    I don't object to seeing this linux stuff--it keeps the world informed about events relevant to the linux community. Similarly, I don't object to seeing the BSD stuff for the same reason--how a community views itself provides valuable insight into how that community works, and what their motivations are.

    One thing I really would like to see is the strictly Linux news moved off into its own category, as the BSD, Apache, etc, stuff is. This would make it easier to follow threads of events in the Linux category, just like I can click on the Apache category to see strictly Apache news now. This is surprisingly useful from an advocacy sense--many of the news articles related to Apache and Linux are strong advocacy pieces, and having to wade to find them is a pain.

    BTW, nik's real address is presumably not his FreeBSD address, but whatever address his company provides him with, or his personal account at whatever ISP. A remarkably large number of people seem to have freebsd.org accounts, including developers of a lot of third party software who require test build boxes, etc. If you have a hotmail account, does that strictly make you an employee, slave, or other venomous offspring of Microsoft? :-) Not that this description applies to FreeBSD, but you get the idea.

  • for those of you who couldn't make it to linuxworld, there are some pictures of ceren and the other bsd girls here [nykcourtside.com], as well as one of the bsd poster.
  • wtf are you talking about? Nik is well known as a FreeBSD project member. He never, ever, ever claimed otherwise. He has a right to have multiple addresses, so that he can organize better. /. stuff goes to his slashdot account, whereas BSD project talks go to his freebsd acount, and personal life of "I want to get away from all the cool hackers and all the whinners" goes to his personal account. If you wish uptodate BSD informaton, look at DDNs, where Nik gets much of the stories from. He has a life beyound slashdot, which is unique among the crowd working there.

    So don't make things up. If you want to say 'hey Nik is a member of FreeBSD' then a lot of people here will respong with 'Ya, aint it great!'

    oh and hey.. you've already posted this message before on other BSD threads that got on the cover page. Give it a rest.

  • Not really much news in those quickies. Especially the note about the 4.0 code freeze; Slashdot already did a discussion on that. Where's the real news? :(

  • I don't consider him a liar, but I do think his affiliation should be made clearer to help the reader make his own judgment about his motivations and credibility -- as a casual Slashdot reader for years, I never realized that "Nik" was Nik Clayton. Actually, my first thought about this story was how all the FreeBSD news was gathered into one "quickie" story. Obviously, it would be in VA Linux's best interests to see FreeBSD get as little publicity as possible around here.

    Cheers,
    ZicoKnows@hotmail.com

  • Few is relative. In a relative universe few can mean anywhere from 3 to anything short of infinity.

    Linus used it to suggest that compared to Linux *bsd only had a few people working on it.

    Which is fine, compared to the number of years *bsd has been in development compared to linux, I think it is comparable.

    I am sorry that *bsd users feel as though it should be *bsd in the lime light.

    Apparently they are in the minority view point. But thats just because we are stupid and you are smart right? :)
  • >although with Linux you have to make the source code available, but with BSD you don't.

    Apple has taken code from Net/Open/FreeBSD. Their OS is called Mac OS X. Linux has taken code from BSD and they call it Linux. And that BSD code taken into Linux can't come back into BSD.

    Seems if someone takes the BSD code and CHANGES it, it is no longer Free/Open/NetBSD. It becomes whatever the taker WANTS to call it.

    If someone wants to give the code BACK to the BSD community, if the code is well written and passes muster with the community, it will get included. If the code sucks, then it won't make it into the mainstream release.
  • >What's with the big chip on (it seems) most BSDers shoulders?
    and
    >Why do you get so annoyed about it?

    Perhaps you should ask the people who came up to the BSD booth and said:
    "This is Linuxworld. What are *YOU* doing at *OUR* show?"
    Seems they were annoyed. Perhaps you can ask them why they felt slighted?

    Or the ones who said:
    "Why should I believe you, the great deciever?" (a reference to the use of the Daemon as the symbol.)

  • Please say stupid things all the time. Doesn't matter if they use macos, windows, linux or even BSD.. Stupid is stupid. :)
  • >I want a daemon dude to pose with!

    1) Ever try to find a GQ OpenSource coder? Most of them sit in front of keyboards all day long, typing and eathing chips/drinking dew.
    2) Most show attendees are male. Most males are hetrosexual. Sex sells. (I leave it to you to connect the dots)
    3) Think about noteable OpenSource coders. Imagine them in a provocative outfit, holding a pitchfork. Somehow Linus or Maddog in a thong is just not something most people want to see. (the wifes of both parties are excluded)
  • Does anyone have a MP3 of the Keynote they can put up on the web?

    That way, we can all listen to the speech and decide what Linus did (or did not) say?

  • Linuxites think this is not news; Neither is 2.3.x (Score:3)

    by be-fan ( 61476 ) on Saturday February 05, 2000 @05:09PM (#1303474)
    The next time I hear a Linuxite complaining that "there is no real BSD news left" or "this is just advocacy posing as news" whill have the entire printed sourced of kernel 2.3.41 down their throat. I saw a "news" story about kernel 2.3.41 the other day. No earth shattering additions, no hints at a code freeze, nothing. If the BSD 4.0 code freeze is nothing, then should anyone even consider the release of a devel kernel? Or the Linux code freeze? My question is this: Would the same people who don't consider the BSD 4 code freeze news also ignore a Linux 2.4 code freeze? Or an X4.0 code freeze? Or KDE 2.0... I didn't think so.
  • "Anyone notice how there is no real bsd news?"

    Gee, and what was all of last week? Every two-bit company porting a closed source ecommerce solution had a press release that was duly reported by the Linux press.
  • No, I didn't get the joke. You can get FreeBSD, all of it, with sources, for zero dollars and no cents. Unlike the Linux world, FreeBSD has only a distributor. There are no soulless public corporations. No venture capitalists dictating how it is to be run. No IPOs.
  • A much better question is how much of FreeBSD 4.0 is going to end up in Redhat 7.0.

    Get real! Just take a look at Redhat, SuSE, Mandrake, Caldera, Debian, et al, to see how much BSD software is ALREADY THERE. And not only is the software there, it is absolutely essential to the proper running of the GNU/BSD/X/Linux operating system.

    Get a clue before you start raggin on BSD for doing what Linux has been doing since day one.
  • I'll hold my tongue on those arrogant Linux folks...

    "So as far as I'm concerned, the Arrogant BSD people can just coordinate and create their own BSD shows and stay the hell out of Linux shows."

    Very good idea. Let's keep LinuxWorld for just Linux. Throw out all the freeloaders. Throw out BSD, GNU, X, Gnome, KDE, and Perl, to name just a few. All you would have left would be Torvalds, distros and commercial concerns. Even Slashdot would have to leave.
  • >You dont see the Linux community bad mouthing BSD

    I don't?

    >Linux at a Linux show. Get your own show and leave ours the hell alone!

    Ok, so can I say that you consider yourself part of the "linux community"?

    Good.

    So, if the "Linux Community" is not bad mouthing BSD, then what exactly are you saying when you post:
    >Arrogant BSD people
    >BSD camp is they seem to have their heads in the sand.
    or my favorite:
    >small number of arrogant shitheads that give their entire community a bad name.

    Yup. Looks like a small, select number of Linux users gives the Linux community a bad name.
  • Looks like more material for www.bsdchicks.com [bsdchicks.com] which really needs some more material .. and maybe a little more html than it currently has. ;]
  • To only things that can run Linux binaries!

    No, wait. BSD does that.

    I have a better idea, if they can't pay for a booth, they can't be at the show.

    No, wait. They allready do that too.

    Oh, Oh! If you want a show to only have what YOU want in it, then I guess the only way to do that will be for you to organize it, and decide who can and can't be there.

    What's that? You don't have the money to set that up?

    What else could be expected from people who get free $25 passes into the show, and go from booth to booth looking for free tee-shirts, whistle rings, and Free CD's with FreeBSD on them. (disk one)
  • Hey! You forgot how when Be released 4.5, there was a slashdot post. Or that BeOS was to be pre-loaded. Guess that is not news for nerds, stuff that matters either.
  • "But thats just because we are stupid and you are smart right?"

    Nothing of the sort was either said or implied, and I resent your attempt to put such words in my mouth.

    My feelings here aren't the issue, I was only attempting to help the orginal poster "work it out". What you say regarding the relative definition of "few" is dead on, but it may have been taken the wrong way by the person who made the quote, which is what I've been trying to explain to whole time. *I* realize it's relative, he may not, resulting in his quote.

    Stop making this about Linux vs BSD.
  • Informative? <strong>COME ON!</strong>

    It's no secret that Nik is a FreeBSD committer and Documentation dude, and as such (like all committers) are given an address @freebsd.org. For all you know it's just a virtusertable alias that forwards to some .uk POP Account. His having a complimentary @slashdot.org address (as a Slashdot staff member) shouldn't be at all surprising.

    There's no secret conspiracy here, just someone trying to stir up trouble. Your irresponsible moderation will only make it successful. The worst kind of FUD is when those who spread it don't realize it.

  • His affiliation was made QUITE clear the day the BSD section was launched. Everyone do please take note of this.
  • "You dont see the Linux community bad mouthing BSD...."

    Actually, you do. I refer you to the comments on any BSD related article.

    It's a sad fact that it goes both ways.

    I'll just ignore the rest of your comment, if you don't mind.

  • Below is the story to which you're referring. I certainly don't take his mentioning that he was presenting at the conference to be an indication to the reader that he has a FreeBSD affiliation, especially since entities which aren't affiliated with FreeBSD were also presenting -- Nik mentions speakers from the Apache and Samba projects, as well as from Apple. If I'm missing some hint from his story, please show me.

    FreeBSDCon '99 Speaker Schedule Announced
    Posted by nik on Monday October 11, @11:00AM EDT
    from the first-post-from-new-author-be-gentle! dept.

    Bill Swingle writes "The final speaker schedule for the upcoming FreeBSDCon has been announced. Highlights include, Kirk McKusick's BSD Internals tutorial, and keynotes from both Brian Behlendorf of the Apache Project and Jeremey Allison from the Samba Project. There are all kinds of fun events planned for the conference, including a free (for attendees) beer bash. This should be one killer conference! " Read on for more. CT: This is the first article in our new BSD Section maintained by Nik. Enjoy.

    There are also speakers from Apple, talking about FreeBSD's contribution to Darwin, Jonathan Bresler talking about his experiences with spam fighting as the FreeBSD Postmaster, and Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino of the KAME group, talking about IPv6 and IPSec, to name just a few more (modesty forbids me mentioning my own presentation at the conference, obviously).
  • In fact that was not the story to which I was referring. I was referring to the official <A HREF="http://slashdot.org/apache/99/10/10/198257.s html">announcement</A> of the new Apache and BSD sections made by Rob himself.

    <I>
    Nik:The BSD Guy

    Nik Clayton, 25 (which probably makes me an old fart on /.), born and lives in the
    UK. He's been contributing to FreeBSD since 1994, but has used NetBSD and
    OpenBSD in his time (and used to dabble with a little bit of Linux as well). In the
    day job he's the director of an IT consultancy, which isn't nearly as high-powered as
    it sounds.

    When not writing irregular articles for Daemonnews, (and now /.), or coordinating
    the efforts of the FreeBSD Documentation Project, Nik plays badminton (badly)
    and does the occasional bit of crewing for local theatre groups (yeah, I know, right
    out of TNHD "Portrait of a hacker" section).
    </I>

    Though I (incorrectly) remembered it as the launch and the announcment being made on the same day, it is there nonetheless.

    I hope your questioning doesn't mean you approve of the AC's post implying subterfuge. Surely you can at least acknowledge that it was an attempt at stirring up controversy where there is none.

    PS. Hmm...does Extrans seem broken to anyone else?
  • There 4.0 reference was regarding the pre-ordering of 4.0-RELEASE.
  • Hey, 4.5 is news. I never said that either BSD 4 or Linux 2.3.41 was NOT news. I just said that if you think BSD 4 is not news, then kernel 2.3.41 doesn't classify as news either. If you don't think BeOS 4.5 is news, fine. But if you think kernel 2.3.41 IS news while BeOS 4.5 and BSD 4.9 is NOT, then you're a hypocrite.
    PS. I consider them all news, but kernel 2.3.41 much less so. But it does serve the purpose of keeping people up to date with whats happening with Linux, so I guess its okay.
  • Actually, wouldn't you really just have Linus and a few other kernel developers. After all, it's not GNU/LinuxWorld, is it?
  • "I can't understand you "BSD is the one true way" people any more than the "linux everywhere" people."

    I never claimed BSD to be the one true way, or even better than linux. As far as I can recall, I've only claimed that linux is *not* the one true way or the *only* free software OS. You're confusing me with someone else.

    "I respectfully suggest that you kill yourself now for the good of the genepool?"

    I beg your pardon? You are in error if you presume any of my descendents would ever stoop so low as to breed with any of yours.
  • How can it be free (as in beer) and $39.95 simultaneously?

    But beer wants to be free.

    (I thought of this joke ages ago and have been waiting for an appropriate thread. Trouble is this threads so old probably noone will see it)

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