How Far Are You Traveling For the Holidays?
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Kilometers... (Score:5, Insightful)
...you insensitive clod.
Re:Kilometers... (Score:5, Funny)
Indeed. I can easily visualise a km in my mind, but a mile? Not a chance.
Of course, given that the poll is about Yule, I would asssume the mile to be the Scandinavian mile, i.e. 10 km.
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The German mile was anything between 4.1 Km and 9.9 km depending on which state you where in. Just in case you ask yourself what standards are for.
The mil in Sweden is well-standardized as 10 km though, and has been since ... 1889, according to Wikipedia.
It's still widely used, and fortunately easily converted.
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That's not a mile, it's called "mil".
Heja Sverige!
But if they said "travelling 16 mil ... travelling over 160 mil" I would be wondering if they meant reaching for the pencil or the keyboard.
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What ranges are these? (Score:4, Insightful)
This has terrible ranges... First of all, wouldn't "less than 10 miles" be considered "staying in town?"
I mean, 100 miles is only about an hour and a half of driving in the US... that's barely even considered "travelling" but rather driving to a neighboring town.
Re:What ranges are these? (Score:5, Funny)
Last year's poll with essentially the same question had *exactly* this problem too.
But then, the average distance from a basement to the first floor is pretty small...
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Better Options:
Less than 12 parsecs
12 parsecs
Greater than 12 parsecs
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Last year, I made the holiday run in less than a parsec.
Curse you! Now I have the Holiday Special running through my mind [shudder!].
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To an Englishman, 100 miles is a long way. To an American 100 years is a long time. -Earle Hitchner
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Yeah, I agree. How about I am flying 1,500 miles and then driving another 100 miles.
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Re:What ranges are these? (Score:5, Funny)
What do I win?
A long flight and a case of jetlag.
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It also isn't clear if it means "travelling to see relatives" in which case I'm staying in town, or "travelling to pre/post xmas sales" in which case I'm going about 75 miles.
If I had my way I'd go about 10,000km / 6000 miles to Japan just to avoid all this crap. They still have a day called Christmas (or "kurisumasu" as they would say) but it isn't a public holiday and most importantly isn't accompanied by really, really god-awful music blaring out of every available speaker in everywhere you go. Plus the
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Summer solstice - traveling about 70-90kms round trip to visit friends on the other side of the city.
Christmas Eve - traveling 3 blocks and back (staying in suburbia) to the in-laws.
Christmas Day - traveling about 170kms round trip to my parents down the coast (I do this trip for Sunday lunch about once a month).
New Year's Day - traveling about 70-90kms round trip to visit friends on the other side of the city.
Not including any other trips between now and then - about 330kms over about a week.
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Depends on where you live. Ten miles in any given direction here crosses into at least one other town, probably more (or into the ocean).
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William of Ockham had no beard. The most likely explanation is that it was chewed off by squirrels every morning.
That made me choke on my coffee.
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Unless you mean Swedish Miles which are 10km.
100 miles? (Score:4, Insightful)
That is a low threshold for the more than option. Should have the 1000 miles plus and maybe a km option. My vote is 100 plus but its over a thousand.
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The same town (Score:2)
Well, the same town. But considering this Town is London, that still means a 30 mile journey..
Re:The same town (Score:4, Funny)
Better leave now.
Re: The same town (Score:2)
That would be true of Boxing Day because of the Tube being on strike
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Melbourne [crikey.com.au] has much the same problem.
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Really?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Melbourne [wikipedia.org]
Of course, using this standard we get London [wikipedia.org] being rather small. I thought we could do a similar thing with Tokyo [wikipedia.org], but apparently I'm a few (~69) years out of date. Oh look, Tokyo is fucking huge (not even counting the broader metropolitan area, such as the cities in Chiba that are part of the contiguous urban area).
Actually, that's an interes
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The City of Melbourne is the name of the suburb which forms the CBD. It's a bit like saying New York = Manhattan.
The Greater Melbourne Metropolitan Region is what most Australian's would think of when you asked how big Melbourne is. So, where I live is approximately 30kms from the GPO (General Post Office, the nominal 'centre' of the CBD). I work in the CBD, so commute 30kms daily each way. The geographic centre of Greater Melbourne is about 20-30kms on the opposite side of the CBD from where I live.
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Sure, I was teasing. Like how I said I could make Tokyo the same 'cause there isn't a City of Tokyo any more. And how London is the Square Mile. ^_^ -_-
Canada (Score:3)
About 2000km every Christmas (not including the running around to relitives once I get there). Canada is big.
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About 1000 km each way here. And we got another dump of snow last night, so I get double-credit for driving in it!
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No kidding. I'm doing ~1200km (not including running around) and I'm not even leaving Southern Ontario.
That's about 750 miles, for the metric-impaired.
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Yeah, just about 2000 each way, so just under 4000km for me. Never drove for the reason you cited. Always fly. Have some horrific stories just the same with flights, like a 32h delay one year where I was stuck at Person Airport. Not fun either.
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Well, my wife and I will be driving *to* Canada from Boston for Christmas and NYE. Montreal, to be specific -- good food, great wine, and the best NYE parties.
This poll is not to Texas scale. (Score:4, Informative)
and of course, I'm in city A while everyone i get along with is in city B.
So, 100+ miles for me!
Not to North American scale (Score:2, Insightful)
I don't think there's any major city that's less than 100 miles of each other.
and of course, I'm in city A while everyone i get along with is in city B.
So, 100+ miles for me!
Texas, nothing. This is true of pretty much anywhere in the US or Canada (except for New England) though in many cases "the next city over" might well be in the next state (province) over as well.
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But to be fair, here are some examples on the east coast of the USA of cities that fall within the range. These numbers are the first result for direct
It's a secret.... (Score:2)
... if I tell you.... then you'll know.
staying on my island (Score:2)
Poll Suggestion (Score:5, Insightful)
My preferred way to respond to slashdot polls is to:
a) Flaunt my superior intellect by finding some insignificant inconsistency in the poll that is only apparent to high functioning autistics such as myself
b) Securely fasten my tin foil hat, then deride the slashdot editors for given in to "the man" and collecting marketing data from the "sheeple"
c) Have my voice heard as a disenfranchised victim/minority who slashdot has completely ignored by not including as a poll option
d) Go with the CowboyNeal option
e) All of the Above
Note: "Answer the poll like a rational adult" purposefully left out due to option C.
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That's not the case. Option d) is for that.
Sadly, in current polls, option d) has been missing. My sig adds all that's to say about that.
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giving in to "the man"...
f) Be a pedant and point out grammatical errors in people's posts.
That's covered by option (a).
What this means in a major US metro area (Score:4, Informative)
The same town = same suburb
Less than 10 miles = adjacent suburb or at at most, the near edge one suburb over
10-20 miles = non-adjacent suburb but within the same general area
20-50 miles= different section of the same metro area (i.e. San Jose to San Francisco)
50-100 miles= Opposite ends of the metro area or another metro area so close the boundary between the two is not entirely clear. (San Francisco to Sacramento)
Over 100 miles= Actually leaving town
Options not listed:
100-200 miles= driving and likely a day trip
200-400 miles= probably driving but not a day trip
Over 400 miles= Either an airplane or a multiple days in transit
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You ought to be able to drive 1000 miles in a day. I don't fly unless it's more than that (and even then I'll often still drive and just sleep in my car).
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In June we drove 1100 miles (Pikes Peak to Chicago) in 16 hours. I think we stopped three times. This Christmas we're only going 711 miles (each way). I predict < 10 hours drive time + stops, should be less than 11 hours total. Flying would take at least six, plus we'd have to rent a car, etc. etc. Gas will be cheaper than plane tickets as well.
Although I like flying, I hate the hassle that air travel has become, and prefer to drive if it's less than a day.
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You too easily gloss over the socialist tax structure of the EU which supports the transit system. Yes it may have cost $13/$20 to ride the metro, but the real cost is much higher. Granted the real cost of driving isn't just your gas price. You also wouldn't be able to take as interesting of a trip on a train as easily, you are limited to train stops, must use taxis if your interest is away from the stop, and adhere to train schedule.
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The trick is to take a number of brief naps instead of trying to sleep all at once. I frequently drive from Idaho to Southern California, it's 1000 miles and it takes me about 15 hours. I'll usually stop and take a nap part way through. Driving across the country takes me about 2 and 1/2 days, stopping to sleep every 6 hours or so. You can't drive much more than 8 hours without getting drowsy, so the best plan is to not even try. Just sleep when you're tired and drive when you're awake.
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100-200 miles - heading for breakfast
200-400 miles - must be get close to lunch
400-600 miles - break for dinner
600-1000 miles - time to stop for the night, hunt for a camp site or cheap motel.
Member of the Iron Butt Society; 1087 miles in 15 hours. :)
[John]
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Over 1,400 miles = I'm going to Marrakech (by plane). Cya.
These numbers need to be changed. (Score:2)
Anything less than 100 miles isn't really what I'd call "traveling." I've already traveled 3000 miles to my family reunion for christmas. I'm going to be traveling 1000 miles to visit my friends in Southern California for new-years.
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I'm traveling 120+ miles door-to-door and I'm not even leaving the heavily populated areas of Southern California.
Poor poll. (Score:2)
There's no "same house" option other than the one about the party coming to me. I assure you there will be no party.
Heading to Santa Barbara to surf the Mayan Waves (Score:2)
I figure when the big one comes, I'll be on my board and I can catch the Big Wave from the Mayan Apocolypse and surf it to safety.
Surf's up!
(so that's like 1000 miles)
Miles? (Score:2)
WTF is a mile and why is it used in this poll?
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The Party Came (past tense) to Us (Score:2)
Hanukkah is over. More than a week ago -- for the first candle -- our son and grandson came to dinner. Thus, the party came to us.
By the way, the next town is about a 10-minute walk (maybe a half mile) away, across the county line. While nearby Los Angeles covers over 400 square miles, my town (about 10 miles from the Los Angeles city limits) covers only 2600 acres (a little over 4 square miles), most of which is public park land.
Missing option (Score:2)
0 miles (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm not celebrating the holidays, and I'm quite sure there are tons of people like me. Some for religious reasons (muslims, buddhists, orthodox christians (who celebrate in January) or atheists), some because they hate the commercialism, some because they don't have a family or whatever else.
For me, it's a mix of being an atheist so that kills the religious part of it, and hating the forced be-merry-today part (I'm merry when I feel like it, not because the calendar says so, thank you very much) and disliking the commercial gift-giving part (I give gifts when I want to, not because the calendar... you get it).
Now I don't mind anyone else celebrating. Before you post any bullshit, no I'm not trying to take your xmas away from you. Celebrate all you like, all I'm asking for is one thing: Respect that not everyone does the same. Don't get on my nerves with it, don't treat me like an alien just because I don't celebrate, don't try to convince me otherwise, just accept it and move on.
And that, strangely enough, seems to be a very hard thing to do for many people.
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If I am forced to attend a party I don't like, at a place I don't want to be, with people who I think are dishonest and fake it, then yes I won't put on a lying smile and pretend to have the time of my life.
But for parties, fortunately, attendance isn't mandatory. Try avoiding christmas stuff in December.
I don't travel by sea or horse carriage (Score:2)
Since I don't travel by sea, I don't measure distances by miles (1 mile equals 1 arc second on earth).
The other option would of course be that I would be living in the 18th century, in which case I would travel by horse carriage, where distance would be measured in various funny units, among them also "miles" (totally unrelated to any scientific measurement and varying wildly from county to county). Well, I don't either. So I'm not using miles in any case.
Insensitve clod time (Score:2)
Insensitve clod time - where i live i travel in kilometres. I think in miles but travel in kilometres.
At least I am not complaining about which holidays or the lack of options.
Re:Which holiday? (Score:4, Insightful)
Familiar with Christmas?
Overthinking things much?
Re:Which holiday? (Score:4, Funny)
What is christmas? In our church of the invisible pink unicorn, the holy scriptures do not mention anything like this christmas you mention.
Blessed Be Her Holy Hooves and May Her Hooves Never Be Shod.
Re:Which holiday? (Score:5, Insightful)
Frankly, I've never thought of Christmas as a particularly religious holiday. To me, since growing up, it was about Santa Claus, Rudolph, the Grinch...giving presents, family, food, fun...etc.
Just the way I was raised, but I still have always loved Xmas and the good feelings it generally promotes.
Geez, just because you have issues with religion, doesn't mean you have to act and ass and deride a holiday. Hell, if nothing else...it is still an official US holiday, grounded in law. Why not enjoy the season?
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well, it gives him a religious derivation, much as the holiday itself has a religious derivation
But not necessarily the one you think. Many of us celebrate Yule, not christmas.
And even for those who celebrate christmas, most of the mainstream christmas traditions are of heathen origin. Like the tree. And when it's celebrated (Saturnalia). And the presents. And the food. And the midnight observance. And the stockings. And the singing. And the "elves" (goblins, really). And....
It's probably the least christian of the holidays, but a necessity for the Catholic church to adapt to as they spread n
Re:Which holiday? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Which holiday? (Score:5, Insightful)
Christmas is not mentioned in the Christian Bible, but Hannukah is. Hannukah is not mentioned in the Jewish TaNaK, but it is in the Christian New Testament (John 10:22-23).
Guess which one Christians don't keep? Guess which one they do?
Christians are keeping the pagan holy day (Sol Invictus, Saturnalia, winter solstice) contrary to what their scripture says (Jer 10). And if you tell them this, many already know, just don't care to stop keeping their traditions. Again violating their own "Master".
Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
They have no excuse.
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Are you for real? Obviously the Jewish holiday is not mentioned in the Old Testament, just as the Christian holiday is not mentioned in the New Testament. Does that mean Jews should not celebrate Hannukah? Obviously not.
Mark 7:9 doesn't refer to any holiday tradition - read Mark 7:1 to 7:8 to get some context there.
Jeremiah is in the Old Testament. Jesus said to forget about the Old Testament and focus exclusively on loving thy neighbour. Christians do not have to follow Jewish scripture. And Jeremiah
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And Jews routinely trick(break) gods rules. I'm not sure why you bring the to religions into it, both are crazy and full of crazy people.
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For those of you who don't get his nick name, the poster is obviously Jehovah's witness. They're not considered to be very mainstream in their interpretation of the bible. They believe some odd things like Jesus not being human, but actually the archangel Micheal ( hence the posters name).
I can't really do a good job of explaining their faith so I won't, but a key component is that the Catholic church believes in Sacred tradition as well as Sacred scripture ( as the bible,as a collection of works from the H
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B. There isn't conclusive evidence that Jesus existed.
C. Christmas, Yule, Saturnalia, Solstice, everyone can find a reason to celebrate. Which holiday = troll question.
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The "Last Supper" is a key feature of "Christianity" often called Communion or Eucharist, but it really is "Passover". And Indeed, Christians are told to keep the feast in 1 Cor 5:8. And indeed Jesus is called "our Passover" in the previous verse.
Additionally, they are not called "Jewish" holidays, but rather the feasts of YHVH (the LORD) (Lev 23), the supposed "Father" to Christians. In 1 Cor 10:1, Paul talks to Gentiles as if they were included in Israel, "Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be
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Mark 7 speaks about ALL traditions that are in contradiction to the Commandments of YHVH, not just "washing the hands". For further context, go back to OT from which he was quoting.
Show me where Jesus said not to keep the Jewish Scripture. BTW, you just made him into a false prophet, see Deut 13.
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As if A. isn't a troll statement.
A is my opinion, based on the complete lack of evidence.
A. God is a loving omniscient being
That is the troll statement, and what I was replying to.
Similarly Jesus is undocumented by the journalists of the time. Yeah he's in the bible and the gospels. In his gospel, Mark steals a lot of what he writes from writers of the period. Those same writers that don't mention Jesus at all. Yes there are references to Jesus, but they are all suspect church writings. Some references that could fill the gaps I'm talking about have been exposed as
Re:Which holiday? (Score:5, Insightful)
Jesus of Nazareth on the other hand is recorded only by ardent believers almost 100 years after his "death". I'm not saying he did or didn't exist, but trying to say that there is more evidence for Jesus than Augustus is only hurting you buy making you look uninformed or willfully ignorant.
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http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3321879&cid=42326929 [slashdot.org]
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OMG Santa is dead!!!
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Don't worry. He has been for quite a while now and it didn't stop him from entering your house at night and drop some presents.
That is the WORST breaking and entering story I have ever heard ;)
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In Sweden he's called "Jultomten". Oh, and we don't call the holiday Christmas, we call it Jul.
As for it being a religious holiday, yeah the christians try to make it into that, for most people it has very little to do with religion.
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That would explain why he is arbitrary and short sighted.
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I'm an atheist and I still enjoy the Christmas season. Time off, lighter traffic, fewer people at work....
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Why wouldn't I?
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Then call it Christmas. I don't like this "happy holidays" shit.
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Then call it Christmas. I don't like this "happy holidays" shit.
Why not? Are you one of those militant Christians that think religion is the only excuse for Christmas? You think that someone saying "Happy Holidays" is out to ruin your day?
Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, it's all the same to me.
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No, I'm a militant agnostic if anything. In the country where I live and in the language I speak, this repurposing of an old solstice festival is called "Christmas". If you want to come and live here, you can call it Christmas too. If you don't like it, feel free to leave.
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No, I'm a militant agnostic if anything. In the country where I live and in the language I speak, this repurposing of an old solstice festival is called "Christmas". If you want to come and live here, you can call it Christmas too. If you don't like it, feel free to leave.
It's nice to know that I'm free to leave.
However, if I want to say Happy Holidays, and I don't want to leave, what are you going to do to me?
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So you applied for a job that required travel then told them you hate to travel? The TSA didn't cost you that job.
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I think he said he hated it precisely because of the TSA and such.