DTrace Becomes Usable on FreeBSD 128
daria42 writes "A project to port Sun Microsystems' Dynamic Tracing (DTrace) tool to FreeBSD appears to have achieved some initial success. DTrace was open sourced last year and is one of the coolest features in Solaris 10."
Cool. (Score:3, Funny)
Now we can have Netcraft confirmation of the death with a long DTrace log to back it up.
Re:Cool. (Score:1)
"SystemTap is still under rapid development, so it is not appropriate to use it on production systems."
Re:Cool. (Score:2)
DTrace scripts (Score:5, Informative)
Here you got some dtrace scripts [tpg.com.au], direct from my firefox bookmarks.
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STUB! (Score:5, Funny)
I think the GPL weenies are jealous (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:I think the GPL weenies are jealous (Score:1, Flamebait)
E.g. under Linux most of the memory is file cache. What would you gain by knowing that cache went from 95% to 96% of RAM and then went down to 94%?If you can't dissect the value (e.g. 10% belong to that file, 20% to that process, 40% are that info, etc) nor change the behaviour of kernel - there is no point in knowing that info.
And again, if th
Re:I think the GPL weenies are jealous (Score:4, Informative)
that you couldn't obtain before. See some examples here:
http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/bmc/20040805 [sun.com]
here:
http://users.tpg.com.au/adsln4yb/dtrace.html#OneL
and here:
http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/howtoguides/d
Declaration of interest: I work for Sun, use DTrace, demonstrate it and
see the expressions of stunned delight on the faces of people
when they suddenly recognise its power.
Re:I think the GPL weenies are jealous (Score:1)
And from the demos it looks way too complicated to be used by mere mortals. Bit like good ol' "expect": great tool, but beyond comprehension of most mere mortals. IMHO.
Thou, I'm quite an exception. For example I do not use debuggers at all. And I do not need one - I can tell precisely what went wrong in my program by just description of the symptoms. Other (normal)
Re:I think the GPL weenies are jealous (Score:1)
Ha ha, what a prick.
Re:I think the GPL weenies are jealous (Score:2)
There are lots of "really great features" you could put into an OS. The devil is in the details. What's the cost of maintaining it? What is the actual utility? Etc.
I think DTrace doesn't come out well in that regard. Pretty much all the things people regularly want to measure already have hooks in BSD and Linux. Furthermore, if one is going to put something of D
HAH! (Score:1)
(Ok that was seriously cheesy, but I relive the golden days of my youth by quoting movies with Marky Mark apparently. *sob*)
Re:objectivity? (Score:2)
This is clearly an objective writer." --
No, its simply putting the tool in context for you. Like saying "Internet Explorer is the coolest feature in Windows NT 5.1"...
Not ready for -CURRENT? (Score:4, Informative)
From Bryan Cantrill's blog: "If you run FreeBSD in production, you're going to want John's port as it stands today -- and if you develop for the FreeBSD kernel (drivers or otherwise), you're going to need it."
Now compare this to Birrell's announcement: "There is still a lot of work to do and while that goes on, the code has to remain in the FreeBSD perforce server. It isn't ready to get merged into CVS-current yet."
Great news and nicely done... but, um, come back when it's ready for -CURRENT primetime before telling Zdnet it's ready
Re:Not ready for -CURRENT? (Score:2)
Also from tfa:
According to Birrell, the FreeBSD DTrace port passes 793 of Sun's 1039 tests for the application.
"That means that there are some very exciting traces that can be done on FreeBSD right now," he said. "Every syscall can be traced, including those that are loaded in kernel modules. Every function in the kernel can be traced from the low-level interrupts up."
While it's not as useful as the Solaris DTrace, it certainly looks like it's re
Highly desirable toolkit, but not universal. (Score:3, Interesting)
I wanted to use it for my application to diagnose performance and race condition problems. However, then I realized I'd have to wrap all the instrumentation so that it would still work portably. Then I thought it seemed like an awful lot of bother just to get some profiling in there, especially if I was going to support an alternate method of collecting the same events so as to make the whole application (which includes profiling support) portable.
"Sorry, we have to run it on Solaris or FreeBSD to debug/optimize" was ultimately what made me stay away from it. I looked into getting OpenSolaris working, and by the time I'd finally finally discovered from Sun's extremely confusing website and the equally confusing OpenSolaris webpages that what I wanted was Solaris Express:Community Release (SX:CR) so that I could get some interesting DTrace fixes and features, and had even burnt the 4 CDs and was all ready to commit to the Solaris way of life, I just got the heebie jeebies.
Hopefully, just hopefully, the FreeBSD port works out well, and there will be a version for Linux sometime soon... there's hope that the advent of the GPLv3 will ease a lot of political slash licensing problems.
DTrace is really incredible for application developers. You can insert lightweight, shippable, debugging and profiling points wherever you want them. I just feel you can't outright commit your project to it yet which is sad. It's the kind of stuff that should be made a POSIX standard, quite frankly.
Re:Highly desirable toolkit, but not universal. (Score:2)
Re:Highly desirable toolkit, but not universal. (Score:1)
systemtap works for me (Score:2, Informative)
http://sourceware.org/frysk/ [sourceware.org]
real men don't use licenses ... (Score:2, Funny)
of licensing, whereby you can take such code and graft any damnfool
license onto it if you have the inexplicable urge to think smaller.
oh, and real men don't use 'dtrace', they use 'printf()' --
if it's good enough for ritchie & thompson, it's good enough for me!
Re:real men don't use licenses ... (Score:2)
Already out there... if you got $$$ (Score:1)
Where is the Port? (Score:2)
Anyone know how to get ahold of a copy? I've created ports before so I'm not afraid to try some 'testing' version.
Thanks
Re:It is official; Netcraft confirms it: BSD is dy (Score:1)
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Ouch- my browser:
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Re:Holyshit! (Score:1)
Re:Holyshit! (Score:2)
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:1, Troll)
> This encourages collaboration, and thus helps the advancement of software engineering.
Is this some sort of joke ?
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:1, Funny)
Yeeps! Don't do that! I got a horrible shiver up my spine when I read that...
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:1)
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:3, Funny)
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:2)
Eivind.
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:1)
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:1)
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:1)
Wrong. Very very wrong. ClosedBSD is a stripped down implementation of the FreeBSD kernel used for booting a machine as a router.
From the ClosedBSD mainpage: "ClosedBSD is a firewall and network address translation utility which boots off of a single floppy disk or CDROM, and requires no hard drive. ClosedBSD is based off of the FreeBSD kernel, and uses ipfw as i
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:1)
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:2)
for some reason i think it doesn't look good in your advertisement
but it's still quite funny to see that it actually exists.
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:5, Insightful)
That's one hell of an emotional world.
I'm glad I don't live in that world, and can be a FreeBSD developer instead ;)
Eivind, who recognize that when people develop things based on his code, he's got a chance of getting things back, and when they choose another codebase because his is GPL-licensed, he has ZERO chance of getting anything back.
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:2)
However, if you read the signature to my previous reply, you'll find a crucial clue for why the BSD license usually is MORE efficient for getting changes back (with the occasional generic closed derivate a
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:1)
I was replying to this from the parent to my post
"As a developer, if you value your work, the GPL is the better license under which to release code"
Because of that confusion it took me a few reads of your post (after I replied) to work out what you actually meant - and it was a spot on reply.
I'm not surprised you took umbrage if you missed that bit. I'm a FreeBSD user and am totally behind the BSD philosophy.
keep up the good work =)
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:3, Insightful)
As far as I am aware, the BSD license was not designed with this goal in mind. The GPL was designed with the goal of keeping the source code available to the developer community.
Whether this goal is achieved is debatable, but I think the GPL (or licenses similar to it) deliver the best chance of keeping systems open as we move into a heavily DRM'd world.
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:2)
Neither the BSD nor the GPL was designed with the goal of getting as many changes back as possible. And I believe the GPL was designed with a slightly different goal than you describe. Both the GPL and the BSD license keep the source code available to the
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:2)
No sorry. I am smithm@ or smithmr@. I was once a member of the Michael Smith webring, though :)
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:2)
Eivind.
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:5, Insightful)
Fortunately, Apple was kind enough to open source Darwin, but it didn't need to, and it choose not to open source the Aqua UI and the Finder shell. I could be mistaken, but I don't think they would have been able to do this had Darwin been based on GPL'ed software.
A better example of the GPL's strength would be the Linksys WRT54G router. I've got one myself and it does all kinds of awesome things it wasn't able to do out of the box (hell, you can even run an OpenVPN server on it), all because Linksys was forced to release their source code under the GPL.
That said, the BSDs are great projects (as are public domain projects like SQLite) and I wouldn't want to see them disappear. I believe that the core focus of the OSS community should be on GPL'ed software (because "embrace and extend" does in fact happen), but there's definitely an argument and a place for BSD-style licenses.
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:1, Troll)
OSX - you seem to have missed the caveat : improved.
License wars, yawn.
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:2, Flamebait)
Apple has closed part of the Kernel now called XNU. [infoworld.com]
Is Apple kind, or are they just putting up a facade, closing the source where they see fit?
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:4, Insightful)
Not only that, they also contribute code back to FreeBSD, which they also don't have to. It is directly to their advantage to do this however (if it gets accepted it means it gets maintained without Apple having to pay developers to do so). Now, Apple isn't exactly alone in this either, considering things like FreeBSD's netgraph and jails just to name some other things contributed by conpanies who could also have decided to keep those things to themselves.
and it choose not to open source the Aqua UI and the Finder shell. I could be mistaken, but I don't think they would have been able to do this had Darwin been based on GPL'ed software.
You are wrong.
Those are applications runniong on top of the core system, and they can be kept closed source just as much as you can have a closed source application for the GPLed Linux, and it is legal to create a CD that distributes both.
For that matter, there exist closed source X implementations and desktops that run on Linux as well, giving you a near equivalent (as in, a gui 'engine' and a desktop environment, not judging that they are of eqivalent quality)
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:2)
A good point. You have BSD software to thank for all standards.
NFS still hasn't seen any replacement, even though it has serious limitations, because most all the alternatives are GPLd, or otherwise encumbered like AFS.
Telnet had vastly outlived it's useful life, but was still forced into service, with a few hacks like skey auth, kerberos auth, and encryption. It remained in service until O
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:2)
Yet a framework needs a license as wxWidgets so it can be used everywhere. Anything else is IMO ridiculous.
I could go on, and on, but I think that's enough to make my point. If you want a standard,
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:2)
Fortunately, Apple was kind enough to open source Darwin, but it didn't need to, and it choose not to open source the Aqua UI and the Finder shell.
Kind enough? Apple wasn't kind, they just recognize the value of the open source model. By contributing changes back, they maintain more parity with other software developers using the same or very similar code. Thus, they can pull in more changes and improvements others make, more easily.
I could be mistaken, but I don't think they would have been able to d
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:2)
Free OS (the BSDs) gets DTrace. If a commercial OS wants to implement it, they get DTrace (easily, as the code is open). Net result = better software in BOTH the free and payware segments.
How is this bad?
One thing the GPL weenies just don't seem to get, is that BSD people *DON'T CARE* if people use their code to make money/sell commercial software, because the aim is to improve the quality of software in general - not to impose some sort of political agenda.
No one
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:2)
I've never seen anyone complain that a commercial entity used some BSD code as the basis for a project (except for Theo and his SSH rant =).
Imagine the devastation if the first TCP/IP stack out of Redmond had been all their own work!
I wonder how many of the "gpl stops you getting ripped off" people have ever PAID for Linux ?
I've bought it twice and I don't even like it !
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:1)
Intimates that the BSD was used as the basis, if not copy & pasted.
But thanks, it made me look up the subject for real.
As I said, not "all their own work".
If you re-read my post without your angry glasses on, you'll see it doesn't say what you think it does.
GPL != Open Source (Score:5, Informative)
The CDDL under which the code in question was released is a slightly modified version of the Mozilla Public License. So if you used Mozilla or firefox or whatever to post that screed, then you've clearly sinned against the church of RMS.
Oh, and the CDDL IS [sun.com] an OSI approved license, so that means DTrace IS (by the definition most programmers who don't wear Birkenstocks agree on) Open Source.
As a developer, if you value your work, the GPL is the better license under which to release code, as it means no-one can take your work, close the source, and sell it as their own.
CDDL Section 3.1:
So try again.Re:GPL != Open Source (Score:3, Informative)
Re:GPL != Open Source (Score:1, Troll)
Re:GPL != Open Source (Score:2)
You should get a patent on that idea.
Re:GPL != Open Source (Score:3, Informative)
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This is a free software license which is not a strong copyleft; it has some complex restrictions that make it incompatible with the GNU GPL. It requires that all attribution notices be maintained, while the GPL only requires certain types of notices. Also, it terminates in retaliation for certain aggressive uses of patents. So, a module covered by the GPL and a module covered by the CDDL cannot legally be linked togethe
Re:GPL != Open Source (Score:2)
They wanted to make sure the no extra features of Solaris made it into Linux.
Looks like it's not going to work though. My guess is that there is already a port of dtrace happening in Linux and if they get stuck there is a
Re:GPL != Open Source (Score:3, Informative)
Stop spreading FUD. Anyone involved in the pilot process for OpenSolaris can tell you that those are NOT the reasons why the CDDL was created or used for SUN's code. The GPL was also one of the licenses considered.
Personally, I think the GPL is very selfish. GPL projects can take all
Re:GPL != Open Source (Score:2)
Whoa, whoa, whoa! That is the whole point of the BSD license, and is why many slashdotters dislike it. If you want your changes back, you would NEVER license co
Re:GPL != Open Source (Score:2)
GPL by definition infects and affects code that has nothing to do with it just by simple source mixing.
Re:GPL != Open Source (Score:2)
Yes, but the irony is that a license about "sharing" doesn't really "share" except with itself. Incestous licensing if you ask me
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:5, Insightful)
I develop under both GPL and BSD licenses, based on the particular piece of code. If I think the code has strategic value (typically a library or framework), I'll develop under BSD so I can use it in any of my closed-source software too. Software which only has utilitarian value is typically released under GPL.
GPL is of good use to a lot of projects, but IMHO it's a terrible license for frameworks and libraries. The LGPL does improve the situation for libraries somewhat, but it's won't work for all situations. That's why many "standard" libraries use more open licenses than (L)GPL; if you're not allowed to use the canonical library in all situations, it's not a useable standard.
You can do that under the GPL (Score:2)
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:2)
That makes no sense at all. Of course you can license your code to others under the GPL and still use it in your own proprietary products. You're not limited by the terms under which you license y
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:2, Insightful)
The point is that if others contributed to your GPL'ed code, you have to get their permission to use the code in a closed-source environment. With a BSD license you don't ha
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:3, Insightful)
Isn't it up to each individual developer to decide what license to use for their original code? Isn't that what choice is all about? If I choose not to use one license or another for my code, why should you care? It is, after all, my code.
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:2)
On the other hand, if a developer wants to create a new license, who are we to say he cannot? I appreciate the concern regarding the proliferation of OSS licenses of late, and I (as a user of and contributor to OSS) agree with you that fewer licenses are better than more licenses. However, we cannot dictate to anyone
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:5, Interesting)
Well, or GPL people could take the fine contribution of the BSD people, and port it to GPL. Therefore both communities can benefit. If Sun had released it under GPL, the BSD people would have been prevented from doing this. At least that is my understanding. So in this case the BSD licence seemed like a good choice, the one that maximises freedom for developers.
Furthermore, I believe Sun has stated that they would be happy if DTrace was ported to Linux, and though they can't pay developers to do it, they can provide other help (perhaps like the testsuites).
Again I'm baffled by the level of hostility towards Sun on Slashdot. Here they open source an amazing tool, and help us port it, and they get a lot of nasty comments for it.
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:2)
Sun's Dtrace is CDDL licensed, not BSD. Also, we wouldn't have been prevented from anything if Sun had released it under the GPL. We just would have imported GPL software over CDDL software.
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:5, Insightful)
Now, last time I checked, Sun regards Redhat as one of its main competitors for 'enterprise unix' systems. So, since you are saying is that due to dtrace, FreeBSD became more competitive with Solaris, doesn't that mean it became that much more competitive with at least Redhat Linux?
With the GPL you at least get some improvemnts back if your contribution is of value and nobody can close its acess.
What the fuck does this have to do with anything? Ah, I see, you were just looking for a reason to do some 'GPL advocacy'.. Let me make some small suggestion: Advocacy like this is just annoying the hell out of people, and makes you look like a fanatic idiot.
Not to mention that the fud you are spreading is just that, fud. Nobody can close access to existing BSD licenced code EVER, got that? (and yes, people can derive from a BSD licenced work, and keep their source changes private while distributing the binaries. If people want to do that with GPLed code, they cannot distribute, or have to obtain an alternative licence from the authors, see the Trolltech business model)
As a developer, if you value your work, the GPL is the better license under which to release code, as it means no-one can take your work, close the source, and sell it as their own.
Now, the modern BSD licence only contains 2 clauses, is really easy to read, and yet you fail to understand it. You think anyone should take your advice?
You can NOT take a BSD licenced work and claim it as your own, that is basicly the one and only thing that licence prevents you from doing. All you can do which you cannot do with the GPL is keep changes to the source private while distributing the binary result. You may believe that is bad, and you are entitled to your own beliefs there. I happen to believe otherwise, and with me, there seem thousands of people who believe otherwise, but again, that is a matter of opinion, and not a matter of fact.
It means every change is visible to you,
No, it does not. It only guarantees that if you get back a binary of some derived program, that you also have a right on getting the source with the changes. You have no right to see anyones changes if they decide to not distribute the result but use it for their own internal work for example.
and that you are free to incorporate the changes other people have made to your product back into it, or into other projects you are working on.
Not if you are for example called Trolltech (qt), Sun (OpenOffice) or anyone else who deals with dual licencing, but generally that is the idea of the GPL indeed. It is a good argument for it, despite it not always working out.
This encourages collaboration, and thus helps the advancement of software engineering.
The fact that all TCP/IP (ip4) implementations are mostly compatible, that most of the basic protocols used on it are compatible between vendors and such are pretty much because there is good and for any purpose usable BSD code around to implement those things, which was either used directly or used as a reference implementation to test against.
This single tiny detail makes that there is actually some choice instead of having ended up with a proprietary network owned by either aol, microsoft, ibm or some other big entity.
I leave it to your imagination what this means for software development.
I will give you one more suggestion, learn to appreciate someone elses work, esp. when that work is pretty good and they actually insist on publishing that work such that everyone can use it. If you just feel that instead of appreciating such things, you must use the occation to spread lies and fud then I call you a moron.
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:2)
What the fuck does this have to do with anything? Ah, I see, you were just looking for a reason to do some 'GPL advocacy'.. Let me make some small suggestion: Advocacy like this is just annoying the hell out of people, and makes you look like a fanatic idiot.
Three guesses who is being annoying and acting like a fanatical idiot, and it's not him.
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:2)
You
You
You
Now.. what do I win?
Re:NOT Open Source (was: GPL) (Score:3, Informative)
That's not always true. If you modify a GPL-ed web application (or server software) and don't distribute it (only run it for / show output to your visitors) -- the you don't have to publish (open source) the modifications.
Re:Dtrace - is often referred to as "error vomit" (Score:5, Informative)
True - its a L3 and developer tool for the most part, but there are plenty of scripts out there to show what it can do for an admin. Take a look at http://users.tpg.com.au/adsln4yb/dtrace.html [tpg.com.au] for starters. Stuff like iosnoop, iotop, opensnoop and kill.d can be used quite regularly by admins without the need for putting debugging into active applications.
Maybe you should wipe your mouth after vomiting (Score:4, Insightful)
You, sir, obviously don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about.
Here's my script, btw
#!/usr/sbin/dtrace -Cs
#define ACCESS4_READ 1
#define ACCESS4_LOOKUP 2
#define ACCESS4_MODIFY 4
#define ACCESS4_EXTEND 8
#define ACCESS4_DELETE 16
#define ACCESS4_EXECUTE 32
fbt:nfssrv:rfs4_op_access:entry {
requested_access = ((struct ACCESS4args *) arg0)->access;
cs = (struct compound_state *) arg3;
cr = (struct cred *) cs->cr;
printf ("uid = %d gid = %d\n", cr->cr_uid, cr->cr_gid);
printf ("ACCESS4_READ = %s\n", requested_access & ACCESS4_READ ? "yes" : "no");
printf ("ACCESS4_LOOKUP = %s\n", requested_access & ACCESS4_LOOKUP ? "yes" : "no");
printf ("ACCESS4_MODIFY = %s\n", requested_access & ACCESS4_MODIFY ? "yes" : "no");
printf ("ACCESS4_EXTEND = %s\n", requested_access & ACCESS4_EXTEND ? "yes" : "no");
printf ("ACCESS4_DELETE = %s\n", requested_access & ACCESS4_DELETE ? "yes" : "no");
printf ("ACCESS4_EXECUTE = %s\n", requested_access & ACCESS4_EXECUTE ? "yes" : "no");
}
Re:Maybe you should wipe your mouth after vomiting (Score:2, Troll)
I don't care about choosing an OS and toolkit for people that suck, I care about choosing a toolkit for me. Seriously. I'm responsible for maintaining the template that our servers (which run a *lot* of interdependent services -- Oracle, Tomcat, etc) are built off of. Finding and fixing performance problems in the template means that the low-level support folks have less angry customers on the phone -- and having the
Re:Maybe you should wipe your mouth after vomiting (Score:1)
Here. Use one of my napkins then. (Score:3, Informative)
I hope however that either of our posts get modded up so that people actually take notice of this thread.
That out of the way I don't really care whether droves of Linux/FreeBSD/OpenBSD etc.etc. users rush and adopt
(Open)Solaris. I would definitely switch to Solaris also at home instead of Linux if it supported all of my hardware
but I guess the home-user is besides the point I suppose you trying
Plembo - Troll account (Score:1)
http://slashdot.org/~plembo [slashdot.org]
Re:Maybe you should wipe your mouth after vomiting Monday May 29, @11:51AM 2 0
Dtrace - is often referred to as "error vomit" Monday May 29, @10:37AM 2 0, Redundant
Of course, either this gentle(wo)man happened across Slashdot where he or she saw DTrace on FreeBSD being discussed
and feeling strongly about DTrace and how it was purportedly perceive
Re:Video... (Score:2)
Re:OpenBSD (Score:1)