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GNOME 2.3 Snapshot, KDE 3.1.2 Released 250

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BSD Forums writes "The GNOME Development Series Snapshot 2.3.1 "Daddy Walrus", is now available. FreeBSD's Joe Marcus Clarke has ported this release (2.3) on FreeBSD and is looking for your testing help. Also, the KDE Project announced the immediate availability of KDE 3.1.2, a maintenance release for the third generation of this UNIX desktop."
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GNOME 2.3 Snapshot, KDE 3.1.2 Released

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  • for 2005 to come around, when I can pull them out of debian stable. ;)

    • Re:I have to say I'm psyched! And I just can't wai (Score:5, Informative)

      by cdemon6 ( 443233 ) on Monday May 19, 2003 @01:23PM (#5992941) Homepage
      >>> I have to say I'm psyched! And I just can't wait for 2005 to come around, when I can pull them out of debian stable. ;)

      what about pulling it right now?

      just use unstable as i do... if you want debian as a desktop unstable is a very good choice, don't think this unstable would actually mean unstable in the commen sense.

      in fact, it is even considered to be more stable that testing by many people (not all people, no flaimbait please) :)

      • ATTENTION!!! (Score:2, Informative)

        by Hilleh ( 561336 )
        It was a JOKE. Thank you for your time. We all know about debian unstable, he was merely making an amusing statent. I hate these fucking human dictionary robots.

        • Re:ATTENTION!!! (Score:5, Insightful)

          by damiam ( 409504 ) on Monday May 19, 2003 @05:49PM (#5994840)
          It wasn't amusing, it was just stupid. Everyone knows that the purpuse of Debian stable is to be stable, and therefore it does not carry development releases. Pointing that out every time a remotely-related thread comes around is utterly pointless.
          • the purpuse of Debian stable is to be stable, and therefore it does not carry development releases.

            Oh really. So you'll be interested to know that kde 3.1.2 is not a development release. It's a STABLE release, in fact it's a bugfix release to a stable release which in itself didn't have any serious bugs. Just look at the changelog.

            In fact, there have been several stable kde versions which have not found their way into debian.

            If you want to stay away from development versions of kde, just don't instal

    • Re:I have to say I'm psyched! And I just can't wai (Score:4, Informative)

      by terkozer ( 521819 ) on Monday May 19, 2003 @01:54PM (#5993191)
      Actually, pop this into your apt.sources

      deb http://ftp.us.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.1.2/Debian stable main

      And you can have the latest & greatest KDE running on stable.

  • I had no idea.... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by frodo from middle ea ( 602941 ) on Monday May 19, 2003 @01:00PM (#5992772) Homepage
    I was reading all tha anti-radhat commotions regarding KDE and frankly I never understood what the fuss was all about.
    But now that i switched to gentoo (this is not ment to be gentoo praise), i finally realise how much can i customise KDE.
    But then again i am not sure if RH crippled KDE enough to be non-customisable.
    ROCK on KDE.

    • Re:I had no idea.... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Kesha ( 5861 ) on Monday May 19, 2003 @01:16PM (#5992895) Homepage
      Yeah, I was not sure either. I've been a RedHat user almost from the start (RH 4.2, 5.0, 5.1, 5.2, 6.0, 6.1, 6.2, 7.1, 7.2, 7.3). I hand built KDE-3.1 on RedHat 7.3 from CVS, and was happy with it.

      A while ago I upgraded to RH9, nearly tore my hair out after seeing what they did to KDE, and promptly switched to SuSE 8.2 professional (plus got a cool T-shirt from SuSE).

      I have long ago decided that if the stories are true I would let my wallet speak for me, and I believe RedHat 7.3 was the last RedHat I will ever have paid for. I am a SuSE user from now on. I wish RedHat better luck with GNOME, but I have made my choice, and it is KDE. Honestly, I wish RedHat would not support KDE at all instead of making changes to it that will never be accepted back into the KDE source tree, it's just a waste of effort that could be better spent on GNOME.

      Paul.

      • Re:I had no idea.... (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Cnik70 ( 571147 ) on Monday May 19, 2003 @01:45PM (#5993114) Homepage
        I totally agree with you on this one. I was a die hard RH fan up till 8.0 came out. Within days I grabbed a copy of SuSE 8.1 and haven't looked back ever since. I still believe the RH makes a good distro, but I really did not like how they mangled KDE and the ability to easily customize it.

        • Re:I had no idea.... (Score:5, Interesting)

          by Ed Avis ( 5917 ) <ed@membled.com> on Monday May 19, 2003 @03:22PM (#5993808) Homepage
          I am currently a Mandrake user, but next time I upgrade I will probably go to Red Hat. They seem to be the only distribution making a serious effort to integrate the software they provide, rather than just pulling a bunch of packages off the net and installing them in /usr/. I don't care about ideological purity of 'the KDE environment' or 'the GNOME environment'. What matters is having all the applications work consistently together, and if Red Hat is prepared to kill a few sacred cows to do it, good luck to them.
      • Heh, interesting. I'm exactly the other way around. When GNOME2 came out, I decided to compile it on my SuSE box using garnome (2 days! i was on dialup back then) and decided I much preferred it to KDE. Last week I moved to redhat 9, and am very happy with it.

        Personally I don't see what the big deal over KDE was. Mandrake also use a global theme. The other changes they made were minor, except altering some apps to use the best, instead of whatever happens to use Qt or KDE. As I always had to do that mysel

    • Re:I had no idea.... (Score:5, Informative)

      by DarrylM ( 170047 ) on Monday May 19, 2003 @01:40PM (#5993076) Homepage
      If you are using Redhat and love KDE, I would highly suggest checking out the KDE-Redhat project on SourceForge [sf.net]. Rex and his group have done an excellent job of building & optimizing the KDE packages for Redhat versions and, if you are using apt-rpm [freshrpms.net], it's fairly easy to keep up-to-date with their builds.

      Cheers!

      Darryl
    • For those of us that don't run Red Hat, what did Red Hat change?

  • Don't bother to install Gnome 2.3.1 (Score:5, Informative)

    by twener ( 603089 ) on Monday May 19, 2003 @01:01PM (#5992788)
    Don't bother to install Gnome 2.3.1, according to Gnome's release schedule [gnome.org] 2.3.2 is to be released in two days.

  • A heritage desktop for Linux? (Score:4, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 19, 2003 @01:02PM (#5992803)
    What's a desktop user to do if you're interested in American heritage and morality? It seems like the major choices for Linux desktop environments are between a European product (KDE and the underlying Qt library) and a Mexican product (Miguel's GNOME environment.) For those of us who are concerned about what kind of statement we make by using products from certain parts of the world, where does that leave us? Both Europe and Mexico basically told us to go eff ourselves during the recent liberation of Iraq. The UK was on our side, but the UK has never been heavily involved with the development of Qt/KDE.

    Personally, I still find myself using FVWM. It's fast, lightweight, and (as far as I know) it's homegrown. However, it's old, and FVWM users such as myself are missing out on some of the newer Linux technology. Are there any plans for an American desktop environment? And do all Americans who are serious about boycotting products from states of concern really realize where KDE and GNOME come from? I think a lot of people might be unpleasantly surprised if they found out some of the things that they're supporting by using some of these foreign environments.

    • Re:A heritage desktop for Linux? (Score:5, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 19, 2003 @01:34PM (#5993005)
      This isn't really an issue for most Linux users, because most Linux users are dirty communist hippies anyway.

      Real, patriotic Americans, stimulate the economy by purchasing new Dell [dell.com] PCs, which come pre-loaded with a genuine copy of Microsoft Windows XP Professional [msftstores.com].

      Socialism, Communism, and Linux are for backwards European countries and for jealous nations like Canada--a country that silently ignores the fact that 90% of its population live within 250 miles of its border with the United States.
    • Why don't you try AmiWM [lysator.liu.se]

      It's about as ugly as FVWM, but it has an American-sounding name and features Warner Brothers cartoons on the screenshot.

      It is also inspired by a long-forgotten Conputer OS built by those effing Pearl-Harbor bombing Japanese, but the went out of Business (Ha) because of their bad Marketing Dept.

  • How Much Longer (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 19, 2003 @01:02PM (#5992804)
    What is the expected release date of the much anticipated KDE 3.11 for Workgroups?

    I assume that will be followed by KDE 95....

  • So when (Score:5, Funny)

    by linuxislandsucks ( 461335 ) on Monday May 19, 2003 @01:03PM (#5992806) Homepage Journal
    So when is the SCO Group lawsuits against Gnome an dKDe suppoed to be filed?

    It seem SCO Group only considers suing the best..

    • Re:So when (Score:5, Funny)

      by mindriot ( 96208 ) on Monday May 19, 2003 @01:06PM (#5992825)
      It seem SCO Group only considers suing the best...

      Oh, cool! We'll finally get the answer to the long GNOME-or-KDE religious battle... just wait and see who gets sued by SCO first...

      ;->

      • Somehow I just got a feeling ms will be able to find a lawsuit in this somehow.

        http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/05/19/1055 22 3&mode=flat&tid=109&tid=190&tid=185&tid=130&tid=18 7

    • Re:So when (Score:5, Funny)

      by Grishnakh ( 216268 ) on Monday May 19, 2003 @02:51PM (#5993604)
      See, KDE and GNOME are like bicycles, whereas the far superior and more mature CDE desktop environment is like a race car. KDE and GNOME obviously must have copied code from CDE to have advanced features like multiple workspaces, alt-tab, and a clock, since there's no way they could have devised those on their own.

  • whither Ximian GNOME 2? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by IGnatius T Foobar ( 4328 ) on Monday May 19, 2003 @01:04PM (#5992810) Homepage Journal
    All this new GNOME and KDE stuff is great, but what I really want to know is, when will Ximian's release of GNOME 2.x be ready? Their GNOME 1.x release far surpassed what everyone else was doing with it at the time. If their 2.x is similarly superior, it's really going to be super slick.

    • Re:whither Ximian GNOME 2? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Hieronymus Howard ( 215725 ) on Monday May 19, 2003 @01:48PM (#5993146)
      All this new GNOME and KDE stuff is great, but what I really want to know is, when will Ximian's release of GNOME 2.x be ready? Their GNOME 1.x release far surpassed what everyone else was doing with it at the time. If their 2.x is similarly superior, it's really going to be super slick.

      I'd agree that Ximian Gnome 1.x was a great product. I compared it to (the then current) KDE 2.x, and Ximian just blew KDE away. I've been a devoted Gnome user since. However, I recently migrated from Red Hat+Ximian to Gentoo/Gnome 2.2. At least that was the intention, until I took a look at KDE 3.1. Wow - instantly konverted! It's uch slicker & more usable than Gnome. Maybe Ximian will redress the balance. Gnome/GTK still has the best apps though. Nothing can touch Evolution or Galeon (so far), though Konqueror is catching up with Galeon.

      HH (waiting to emerge -u kde)
      --

  • KDE 3.1.2 Changelog (Score:5, Informative)

    by twener ( 603089 ) on Monday May 19, 2003 @01:08PM (#5992842)
    The link to the KDE 3.1.2 change log [kde.org] is missing in the story. And for the case you missed it, the KDE 3.1 New Feature Guide [kde.org] and the KDE 3.1 Screenshots [kde.org] are still available.

  • Uggh, released already? (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 19, 2003 @01:12PM (#5992866)
    Geez, and I'm still trying to compile kde 3.1.1 on
    my ancient Sun box. And now I need to stop that and
    install kde 3.1.2? Probably by the time I'm finished with
    that the kde folks will be up to 3.1.3


    Well, the good thing about GNOME is it won't compile
    at all on my Sun box, so no need to even bother.

  • Larry the cow says. (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 19, 2003 @01:16PM (#5992892)
    __________________
    / just great, another \
    \ all-nigher emerge! /
    ------------------
    \ ^__^
    \ (oo)\_______
    (__)\ )\/\
    ||----w |
    || ||

  • My one KDE feature request (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Zapman ( 2662 ) on Monday May 19, 2003 @01:29PM (#5992978)
    And it might already be there. Please let me know.

    I want ARBITRARY keyboard shortcuts. I want to be able to write a shell script (or any executable), and have it execute when I hit (ctrl)-(alt)-w (My keystroke to bring up a vertically maximized terminal window).

    I was quite scared with gnome 2.x when they seemed to take this feature away, but I found out how to do it eventually (gconf-editor under the metacity stuff).

  • proposed modules for GNOME (Score:3, Informative)

    by TheRealRamone ( 666950 ) on Monday May 19, 2003 @01:30PM (#5992983)

    The following modules have been PROPOSED for inclusion in the next major GNOME release. Keep in mind that not all of them may be accepted.

    battfink - Energy saving and battery status utility.

    epiphany - A GNOME web browser based on Gecko.

    fontilus - Font management and information tools.

    galeon - A GNOME web browser based on Gecko.

    gcalctool - A full-featured calculator.

    gedit-plugins & gtksourceview - Split off plugins and a syntax highlighting textview for gedit.

    gnome-mag, gnome-speech, gnopernicus & gok - Screen magnification, text to speech, on screen keyboard and accessibilty features control tool.

    gnomemeeting - Standards-based audio and video conferencing.

    gnome-system-tools - Cross-platform user-friendly system configuration tools.

    gpdf - An xpdf-based PDF viewer.

    gswitchit & libxklavier - Keyboard layout switching and configuration tools.

    gucharmap - A full-featured unicode character map tool.

    nautilus-cd-burner - Integrated CD burning tool for Nautilus (requires as-yet-unreleased changes to Nautilus for full integration and is currently Linux-specific).

    seahorse - GPG/PGP key management utility, with Nautilus integration.

    themus - Theme management and information tools (will most likely be added to the control-center module).

    totem - A sound and video player (currently based on Xine, with GStreamer support being worked on).

    zenity - Provides graphical prompts and dialogues for shell scripts.

    • epiphany - A GNOME web browser based on Gecko.

      So, in another 6 months, we'll have Revelation, based on Epiphany? I mean, holy crap, when are people gonna learn to contribute(or use) existing work, instead of just making browsers that are nearly identical except in appearance? See the same comment about Totem("based off Xine"), gpdf("Based off xpdf")...

      I hate idiots that tote open-source this, open-source that...but refuse to play together, missing most of the point. themus - Theme management and inf

      • Re:Yet Another Web Browser, Themes = waste of time (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward
        There is an use of existing work.

        Epiphany uses Mozilla (GRE when it's available).

        Totem uses libxine.

        gpdf uses xpdf.

        They are not "based off". They use the libraries provided by other apps to offer an interface integrated with gnome (drag and drop, bonobo widgets, gtk themes, HIG compliant interface...). Cause they are not intended to be stand-alone apps, but apps for the gnome desktop.
      • When slashdot idiots will begin investigating the subject they are talking about?

        Here is the answer on your rant/fud/troll: Gentoo forums [gentoo.org]:

        the original author of galeon left to create epiphany. Basically.. galeon run without a bunch of gnome libraries and epiphany makes use of gnome libraries whenever possible.

        You can read more details in Epiphany mailist [mozdev.org]:

        Galeon isn't a part of GNOME core. At the same time, there is a most notable demand for a browser in GNOME core, but the future direction of Galeon wr

  • KDE obnoxious bug still in 3.1.2 (Score:4, Interesting)

    by mfago ( 514801 ) on Monday May 19, 2003 @01:36PM (#5993030)
    UI wars aside, KDE 3.1.2 still has an obnoxious bug [kde.org]. Please vote and/or comment at the given link.

    KDE is IMHO awesome, but its habit of automatically switching focus to error dialogs on another desktop is driving me insane. Especially since, statistics aside, the switcheroo invaribly happens when I'm writing a Slashdot post, and in my furor hit "enter" just as a warning dialog comes up.

    --
    Just another 2 minutes that I should have been writing my thesis.

  • Screenshots? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward
    How can I tell how cool it is without screenshots?

  • Gnome 3 (Score:4, Interesting)

    by DeadBugs ( 546475 ) on Monday May 19, 2003 @01:55PM (#5993193) Homepage
    I am glad to see Gnome has not bowed to market pressure and released the latest version as Gnome 3.

    Unlike Mandrake 9 and MSN 8. None of which had version 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 etc. They just upped the numbers to match their competitor. (RedHat 9, AOL 8).

    • Re:Gnome 3 (Score:3, Informative)

      by Darren Winsper ( 136155 )
      As has been explained a million times already, many distros up their major version number when they break binary compatibility. Mandrake 9.x uses KDE3 whereas Mandrake 8.x uses KDE2, as an example. And before you harp on about KDE, KDE3 uses Qt3, which isn't binary compatible with Qt2. KDE3 is largely source compatible with KDE2.

    • Re:Gnome 3 (Score:2, Informative)

      by drew ( 2081 )
      mandrake started out around version 5.1 or 5.2.

      at the time it made sense- up until about version 6.1, mandrake version x.y was not much more than redhat x.y + precompiled kde packages and a slightly different installer. they used the same version number as redhat to indicate package compatibility. it wasnt until around mandrake 7 that they truly distinguished themselves from redhat. at that point it wouldn't have made much sense to jump backwards to mandrake 1.0, would it?
    • Mandrake 9.0 came out about a year before Red Hat 9, so you've got that part backwards.

      Personally I think they should all just start using a less arbitrary versioning system, like Mandrake Linux 2003. ;-)

      • Mandrake (and mostly all the other major distros) usually release more than one version per year. So Mandrake linux 2003 wont work.

        There is no point in copying MS versioning scheme anyway ...
        • Mandrake (and mostly all the other major distros) usually release more than one version per year. So Mandrake linux 2003 wont work.


          Pfff.


          Mandrake Linux 2003.May

          :)


          grnbrg

  • Maintenance vs New Functionality (Score:5, Insightful)

    by chill ( 34294 ) on Monday May 19, 2003 @02:01PM (#5993232) Journal
    I'd like to applaud the method the KDE team uses, releasing maintenance releases that focus on fixing bugs and improving stability.

    I've seen too many patches and fixes that insist in introducing new components or functionality at the same time as a fix. The separation of "fix" and "feature" is a critical one for minimizing the number of new bugs introduced.

    While KDE is by no means the only project where this is practiced, they are a big one and it is a method that should be praised and emulated whenever possible.
  • ...YOU INSENSITIVE CLOD!!!
    • IceWM here. i was a gnome user before, but i'm a bit of a speed (as in velocity, not the drug) junky these days, and oh boy, it's fast. my preferred rig now is IceWM, the gnomish galeon, and pine in a term.

  • Redhat vs Mandrake (Score:2, Interesting)

    by zank ( 305538 )
    I have used Redhat 9 and Mandrake 9.1 and for a KDE user Mandrake is better in every way. The theme is easy to change and KDE just feels snappier compared to the one in Redhat. Plus Redhat decided to hide the "show desktop" icon in the panel, one of the most useful features.

  • My vision of "the perfect desktop" (Score:3, Funny)

    by Saint Stephen ( 19450 ) on Monday May 19, 2003 @04:48PM (#5994448) Homepage Journal
    *Fluxbox not KDE or Metacity. Eyecandy in the WM is pointless. Desktop wheeling, tabbed windows useful!
    *Konq is the file manager. The rest of KDE is useless.
    *GTK is the widget library. The rest of Gnome is useless.
    *GTK AA-text and font-prefs work without launching gnome-control-center when not running Gnome.
    *MozFirebird is the browser, with proper native GTK widgets. (XULGlade Theme?)
    *OpenOffice document engine & rendering engine with Gnumeric or Abiword interface.
    *QT becomes a theming engine ontop of GTK.
    *Abandon all dockapps, panels, kickers: replace it with Karamba + OpenGL to compete with Longhorn & OSX.
    *PDF viewer: rendering engine of Acrobat, UI functionality of KGhostview, using GTK widgets.

    That's all I can think of for now. I hope you can see it in your mind now.
    • Ugh. I hate GTK widgets. Too clunky for my taste. My perfect desktop is just pretty much the opposite of his. I guess this is why we have to desktops!
    • You're on drugs, aren't you. Why don't you share your stash?

      Let's see now... you want to dump eyecandy, but replace the panel with Karamba... use GTK+ for all your widgets but Qt for all your theming...

      I just can't see this in my mind without some of that stuff you're smoking.
      • I didn't object to eyecandy, just pointless eyecandy, such as having the title bar have arcs in it or a clock in the corner that says "half past four". OpenGL-accelerated eyecandy built on a flux-style less-is-more philosophy is okay, I'm not a luddite. But really you all are right, I am being inconsistent: Flux doesn't have desktop icons or tray apps (the slit is pointless) and I prefer that to KDE or Gnome experience, but all other environments suck without a "task bar" ala Win95, and I knew people wou

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