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FreeBSD 4.8 Release Delayed Until Mar 24 58

Dan writes "FreeBSD Release Engineering Team's Murray Stokley indicates in his email that the latest FreeBSD 4.8 release will need to be postponed until March 24 in order to include suggested fixes related to the XFree86 4.3.0 port. After a complete package rebuild, they plan to release FreeBSD 4.8 RC2 first. Murray requests everyone to continue testing the XFree86 4.3.0 port to ensure a quality release."
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FreeBSD 4.8 Release Delayed Until Mar 24

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  • Excellent (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 15, 2003 @09:48AM (#5518950)
    It's nice to see SOMEONE taking the time to do things right. SuSE could learn a thing or two from them. I'm starting to equate them with the American automotive manufacturers of the Linux world.
  • I know freebsd is good. I usue it I like it. I also use linux and like it a lot.
    Why is there such a difference in the number of posts when a linux release comes up versus a *BSD release.
    I would like to hear some thoughtful discussion
    • by nurb432 ( 527695 )
      This is manily a linux forum.. so us *bsd'ers are at a minority...

      Just the laws of averages..
      • This is manily a linux forum.. so us *bsd'ers are at a minority...

        I agree that BSDers (like myself) are in the minority, but I'm not so sure about Slashdot being "mainly a linux forum." Of course, I could be wrong...

        • Re:hrmmm... (Score:1, Flamebait)

          by saintlupus ( 227599 )
          I agree that BSDers (like myself) are in the minority, but I'm not so sure about Slashdot being "mainly a linux forum."

          I agree. I don't think there's a whole lot of actual linux users on here -- although I do think there are a lot of kids posting from the Windows XP box that has a long-dormant Red Hat partition on it somewhere.

          • True, if you look at many of the posts and how they are moderated it seems like it, or maybe it is just a few and all the other is just following the "theme".
            Anyhow, you just need to surf a few gamesite forums(for as long as you can stand it) and then come back here. You get the feeling there is a bit less posters with raging hormones here.
    • Re:Why so few posts (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Ded Bob ( 67043 ) on Saturday March 15, 2003 @11:06AM (#5519214) Homepage
      I prefer to comment when I have something to say that I think would be useful. Most comments on SlashDot are what I would consider to be no-op's (repeats, trolls, yes-men, no-men, blah).

      What could I actually say about the short delay in release: nothing. I understand why, so I am satisfied with the decision. I sent in two fixes just last week for FreeBSD. That is probably where you'll find me. :)
    • Re:Why so few posts (Score:5, Informative)

      by cant_get_a_good_nick ( 172131 ) on Sunday March 16, 2003 @01:20AM (#5522384)
      A few reasons.

      * Slashdot is a Lnux advocacy site. No problem there, but BSD advocates tend to congregate elsewhere. You want to ask questions to people who may know the answers, not Linux guys saying how it works in Linux.

      * The trolls. Every BSD pot gets the TrollBots going. Kinda funny when the story is only related to BSD (like OpenSSH) but gets irritating.

      * Personality. Though this is flamebait, but there is a fringe element of "Linux is Heaven on earth, all other OSes are blasphemy, BSD goes to Hell" that you tend to find here. Though it is a fringe element, and most BSDers ignore them, it's irritating. Best tool for the job, keep your religion for Sundays or the Sabbath or Ramadan please.

      * Popularity. Just happens that there are more Linux users than FreeBSD. A lot of this was due to the Great Dark Lawsuit, essentially Novell suing FreeBSD for licensing issues. The suit was even though FreeBSD code contained very little AT&T code (3 files I think) it was "tainted" with UNIX ideas. This was Novell being kind of jerkish, because it ignored the whole boost that BSD gave to UNIX. Berkely showed how UNIX violated BSD licensing as well and more egregiously in fact. Eventually, BSD (and FreeBSD) was allowed to continue, they removed the 3 offending files, UNIX code now included the BSD license, and life goes on. But during this time, people didn't want to use FreeBSD because of the uncertainty, and they turned to Linux. In fact, Linux says in the famous Tannenbaum exchange/flamewar that he would have used FreeBSD (or the HURD) if it was available at the time, but it wasn't, so he made Linux, and the world is a better place.

      Kind of ironic; there are a lot of parallels in the Novell/FreeBSD case vs. the SCO (Caldera)/IBM & Linux case. Possibly people will look at FreeBSD now since they're pretty much free and clear of SCO suing them because of outcome of the Great Dark Lawsuit. I think IBM wil prevail, but if people open their minds a bit and some more folks take a look at FreeBSD the world will be a better place.
  • 5.0 (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Pierre ( 6251 ) on Saturday March 15, 2003 @11:31AM (#5519315)
    I've been thinking of trying FBSD on an empty partition. I was going to install 5.0 but this mention of 4.8 has me a bit confused.

    Is it 4.X the convservative path? Is 5.0 still to new?
    • Re:5.0 (Score:2, Informative)

      by susehat ( 558997 )
      yes. 5.0 is still new. It is mainly for your running pleasure. If you need to use FBSD on an enterprise-critical system, then you would want 4.X 5 is a totally new means of doing things, so they don't expect to have all the bugs out until about 5.2
    • Re:5.0 (Score:5, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 15, 2003 @12:04PM (#5519447)
      "Is it 4.X the convservative path? Is 5.0 still to new?"

      You've got the right idea. though it has a number of wonderful new features, 5.0 is still "half-baked". It isn't recomended for production use.

      4.8 will be the most recent release of the "stable branch" of FreeBSD development, and will provide a nicer experience and better performance than will 5.0 at this time.

      I'd give 5.x a year before it's as stable as 4.x, and by that time, life will be pretty sweet.

    • Re:5.0 (Score:5, Informative)

      by bluGill ( 862 ) on Saturday March 15, 2003 @02:20PM (#5520041)

      Many FreeBSD folks remember the 3.0 release and don't want to repeat that. In short 3.0 had some serrious flaws that send people who needed the features it had to -current (the development kernels). I personaly installed 3.0, and it didn't last long, I found all the -current kernels (though I didn't install many) more stable than 3.0. 4.0 ended up rushing out the door because many of the fixes were designed with other features of 4.0 in mind and didn't backport easially.

      Your other choice at the time was running 2.2.8, which was extreemly stable, but lacked some nice upgrades that 3.0 had. (USB for instance)

      4.0 essentially became 3.0 stable. So now they are trying to do 5.0 right. 5.0 allows a release that is considered stable, and encourages people up use it, but by doing 4.8 they get some needed updates in the 4.0 series, and provide a reminder that 5.0 isn't stable yet.

      Last, this is open source. If you are still using 2.2 and you feel a 2.2.9 is worth releaseing it might be done - if you can convince those involved that enough people are still using 2.2 to make it useful.

    • I'm new to *bsd, but I've been using linux for a while now, and I'm strongly considering putting freeBSD on the new computer I'm building instead of linux. I'm a computer science student and I really want to LEARN UNIX, not just point and click my way through the latest Redhat distro. Would you recommend waiting for 4.8 or would it be safe to use 5.0? I guess I'm just wondering if anyone is using 5.0 at all now, or if that's pretty much a no no. Oh and please, don't anyone tell me to RTFHB or see the Ea
      • Re:5.0 (Score:1, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward
        5.0 is stable for home/dev usage (ie: it never crashed on me). Go ahead, install this one.

        4.7 is the production one. It is true and proved. Use this is you install servers that need 24/365 avaibility. And proven stuff is generally done for 4.x, not 5.x (as nobody runs critical servers with 5.0)

        4.8 is the next release for people that cannot afford to take risk.

        If you go the 4.7 route, after installation, you can choose tracking 4.7 (in which case, you'll have an _extremely_ stable machine, with only secur
      • Re:5.0 (Score:2, Informative)

        by rinsoblue ( 300699 )
        I have been using 5.0 as a desktop workstation since the day it was released.

        I have never had a problem with it. Everything I have tried has been fine. KDE, sound, graphics, all OK.

        This not mean it can be used as an important server though. I have not tried that.

        Follow the advice of the other replier and you will be in for a pleasant learning experience.
  • by cperciva ( 102828 ) on Saturday March 15, 2003 @12:17PM (#5519486) Homepage
    Can we wait until *after* the release before announcing it?

    Remember, that means wait until you get a PGP-signed email from Murray Stokely before you post a story.
    • Can we wait until *after* the release before announcing it?

      Naaaah. And the text of this article is wrong too, it should have been "FreeBSD 4.8 will released at March 24th, you can find it at your local mirrors []."
    • by Anonymous Coward
      Nah, so far the editors have proven to be true jerks on this issue. Murray has emailed them directly asking them to repect the release process. Three times in a row, they have posted an article as soon as the files appear on the main ftp server, and before the mirrors have had a chance in he&& of getting it.
      Does the releng team really need to hide the files on the ftp server just because the ./ editors are behaving like little children that want to be first in line?

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