by Anonymous Coward writes:
on Friday January 26, 2018 @01:12PM (#56008373)
Same here. Systemd totally destroyed Debian's stability for me. It got to the point where I couldn't do routine updates without systemd typically breaking in some obscure way. I can't have that nonsense going on with the servers I'm responsible for. So I slowly migrated them over to OpenBSD and things couldn't be better.
This is totally true. Before Debian, et al. switched to systems, my laptops, particularly Lenovos, were very stable. Now? They crash all the time. Slackware and others, particularly the BSDs, do not. Nothing has changed save systemd.
Yeah SystemD is really bad. It fails constantly, and crashes my entire system usually taking out my hard drive too requiring a full new install every time. WHen I tried to add new services they faild for unknown reasons and there is no error message or logs that help. Also I noticed that the SystemD process takes up 100% cpu and most of my free ram and there is no setting I can use to change it. I and my freinds have all switched to open bsd and things are way better for everyones. Totally faster and
systemd was what pushed me into trying out FreeBSD seriously for the first time, three years ago, after 15+ years of Debian as a user and develop. So many stupid problems. FreeBSD was like a breath of fresh air, and I wish I'd tried it out years ago. Today, I'm using FreeBSD increasingly, contributing to the ports here and there, and finding it to be mostly pretty good. Not as polished as Debian in every respect, but the package manager is continually improving and it's on a par with apt at this point. And being able to install straight onto ZFS is huge; Debian and Ubuntu need to get this into their installers.
The incompatibility is massively overblown. It's just another third-party kernel module, and isn't a big deal. Have a read of some of the previous discussions about it.
Based on what I have read of previous discussions, though the user may add third-party kernel modules under an incompatible license to a private installation, a distributor is not allowed to distribute the combination. This is why third-party kernel modules available separately cannot be included in an install image distributed to the public, as the distributor of an install image has to distribute the combination.
Why is ZFS such a huge advantage for a home user? It uses a lot of RAM and many features are just not needed for anything less than a massive NAS/SAN. Sure a 787 is great and has a lot of features but it just is not good from running down to the local grocery store.
It can certainly be overkill on low end systems. But its features are pretty great, and quite a few of them are useful even on a single disc/SSD setup. Like every filesystem, it makes a bunch of tradeoffs and you need to decide if they are acceptable or if another filesystem would be more appropriate for your needs. If you want to use some of those features, it can still make sense to use it. Lastly, the memory usage you mentioned is mainly an issue for ZFS on Linux where there's duplication in the page
BSDs dying? (Score:2, Insightful)
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I'd be more concerned about the effects of systemd on the Linux distributions. :)
Mod Parent Up.
After running Linux for a decade, systemd pushed me to try both FreeBSD and OpenBSD for the first time ever.
Re: BSDs dying? (Score:0)
Same here. Systemd totally destroyed Debian's stability for me. It got to the point where I couldn't do routine updates without systemd typically breaking in some obscure way. I can't have that nonsense going on with the servers I'm responsible for. So I slowly migrated them over to OpenBSD and things couldn't be better.
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This is totally true. Before Debian, et al. switched to systems, my laptops, particularly Lenovos, were very stable. Now? They crash all the time. Slackware and others, particularly the BSDs, do not. Nothing has changed save systemd.
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Yeah SystemD is really bad. It fails constantly, and crashes my entire system usually taking out my hard drive too requiring a full new install every time. WHen I tried to add new services they faild for unknown reasons and there is no error message or logs that help. Also I noticed that the SystemD process takes up 100% cpu and most of my free ram and there is no setting I can use to change it. I and my freinds have all switched to open bsd and things are way better for everyones. Totally faster and
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systemd had an affair with my wife.
Re: BSDs dying? (Score:0)
Make sure she gets checked for STDs. No telling where the System====D has been.
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I'll wait for netflix to confirm it.
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Uhhmmmmm
apt-get install sysvinit
apt-get remove systemd-sysv
Done and done. No more fscking systemd to fsck everything in the A.
Re: BSDs dying? (Score:0)
#Me too.
I was raped and then murdered by systemd.
Re: BSDs dying? (Score:5, Interesting)
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And being able to install straight onto ZFS is huge; Debian and Ubuntu need to get this into their installers.
I don't see how that can be done legally, as Linux and ZFS have incompatible copyright licenses.
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Stop using installers and start using debootstrap, then the zfs-dkms works as expected.
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And being able to install straight onto ZFS is huge; Debian and Ubuntu need to get this into their installers.
I don't see how that can be done legally, as Linux and ZFS have incompatible copyright licenses.
They can ship a DKMS package and have the installer support it. It's already in "contrib" for stable/stretch:
* https://packages.debian.org/source/stretch/zfs-linux
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The line is distributing the combination (Score:2)
Based on what I have read of previous discussions, though the user may add third-party kernel modules under an incompatible license to a private installation, a distributor is not allowed to distribute the combination. This is why third-party kernel modules available separately cannot be included in an install image distributed to the public, as the distributor of an install image has to distribute the combination.
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#metoo
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Switch to Devuan. Debian without the garbage.
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Why is ZFS such a huge advantage for a home user? It uses a lot of RAM and many features are just not needed for anything less than a massive NAS/SAN. Sure a 787 is great and has a lot of features but it just is not good from running down to the local grocery store.
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how long did it take to get through all five hosts?