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FreeBSD 4.X Lives On 72

An anonymous reader writes "In spite of FreeBSD 5.3 going to "production" status, FreeBSD is still planning at least one more full release of the mature production 4.x series. FreeBSD 4.11 Release Candidate 1 has been announced. The complete 4.11 release schedule is here. This is good news for those who can't or don't want to migrate to FreeBSD 5 yet."
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FreeBSD 4.X Lives On

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  • Always nice to see another BSD release.
  • by Just Some Guy (3352) <> on Monday December 20, 2004 @08:59PM (#11143047) Homepage Journal
    Nice work, guys. I admin a few servers that are several hundred miles away from where I live. When I swing by there next time, I'll definitely be upgrading to 5.x. In the mean time, it's nice to know that I'll still have a few new features and bugfixes to keep things reasonably current with a minimum of disruption.

    Thanks for the nice work!

    • If you try this, don't just upgrade and leave.

      There is a nasty bug that caused the server I installed FreeBSD 5.3 on (which ran FreeBSD 4.x for years, and currently runs FreeBSD 4.10 problem-free) take 2-3 hours to reboot under FreeBSD 5.3. The part where it fails is after the system is already offline, so that's 2-3 hours of solid downtime until the OS gets around to figuring out it should continue rebooting.

      I checked the mailing lists, and apparently that was an improvement, as it used to panic on reb
      • I had that problem in 5.2.1, but it was solved in 5.3. Instead of abandoning an OS you've been running for years at the drop of a hat, why not see about getting that bug fixed? Has it been logged? If not, did you log it? Has it already been fixed in -CURRENT?

        If you think DragonFly is going to be God's perfection on Earth, you're nuts.
        • Yep FBSD 5.3 according to various sources [] is not production grade.

          There are several bugs with hardware and i/o issues. It works beautifully or very badly unlike 4.x

          You may want to read the flame war with some benchmarks stressing the new threading model int he link above?

          Not to sound trollish of course but I have been pretty disapointed in the direction of 5.x. NetBSD might be a better option in my opinion for servers.

          I wonder how the DragonFLY project is going? I am not a kernel expert or qualified to

  • Last time I tried I could either have WiFi in 4.x or Bluetooth in 5.x but never the twain.

  • FreeBSD 4.X still has value, albeit less than it did when it was the flagship branch. When I read the TODO list for this the other night, I saw that the tables only contained the titles. 4.11 seems like it will be good for people who want to setup a low-end do-whatever server with current packages and base system apps, while 5.X will handle everything else. My pentium 200 will be upgraded to 4.11 once it gets recommissioned.

    It's good to see that this release is coming to be, and that support for FreeBSD 4
    • I bought a cheapish laptop from eBay recently to do some GNUstep work on (i.e. making sure code I've developed on the Mac works cleanly on GNUstep, and tidying up the bits that don't), and put 5.3 on it. So far, I've been very impressed. I tried some of the earlier 5.x releases, but the rough edges sent me back to 4.x quite quickly. On the other hand, I will probably keep 4.x on my server for the foreseeable future - it works (and works well), and migrating from 4.x -> 4.(x+1) is a lot easier than mig
  • Procrastination (Score:3, Insightful)

    by kirkjobsluder (520465) <kirk&jobsluder,net> on Tuesday December 21, 2004 @01:38AM (#11144871) Homepage
    Seriously, I'm really holding off on the jump to the 5.X series. It looks like the best migration route from 4.X to 5.X is backup-reformat-reinstall-restore. My system currently does just about everything I need (I've given up on wine as not worth the effort) and I just know that I'll miss some configuration file that took me about 6 hours to tweak into working.
    • I have to agree with you there. I recently retired my 4.1->4.9-STABLE server (yeah, it was that old) and rebuilt a new box. I tried 5.2.1, but still had lots of strange problems, system hanging, interfaces suddenly dying for no reason, etc... So back to 4-STABLE I went, my good old faithful friend...
      • 5.3-STABLE [sic] still has the interface death problem, at least it did for me. I would have kept it if not for that, despite the sluggishness it still had the composure and usability of a FreeBSD system. The other BSDs could learn from it, but then it might interfere with their designs of pure simplicity. Probably DragonFly will win there.
    • Just like the 2.x to 3.x jump, and the 3.x to 4.x jump, you're going to have to do an initial install moving from 4.x to 5.x. Were you expecting any different?
      • 3.x to 4.x wasn't too bad. mrnutty (my web box) has been running the same initial install since 3.4 and tracking stable with rebuilds for every SA and point release. (IIRC. 4.0 came out what, 4 years ago? I'm too lazy to check my changelog.)

        It saddens me that I'm going to have to do a fresh install for 5.x due to the need to increase the size of / (originally 30 MB on a 4 gig disk). I've tried a 5.3-RELEASE install with the same slice sizes, it was not happy. It does give me a reason to upgrade the dr
    • I've upgraded about 6 (production) machines from 4.10 -> 5.2.x and 5.3... Just follow the instructions near the bottom of /usr/src/UPDATING, and make sure to read the footnotes for each step.

      I've had no problems with the upgrade procedure. I did however have problems with one of the machines (5.2) crashing when it ran daily and weekly periodics.

      I had to remove the execute bit on two scripts, iirc.

      It can be done, just read the docs and perform a backup just in case.
  • by Viol8 (599362) on Tuesday December 21, 2004 @07:27AM (#11145918) Homepage
    There used to be a shop where you could actually buy FreeBSD. Now thats closed down there is no where to get it. I won't order over the net after once my card got duped and another time when something never showed up and I spent days arguing the toss with the supplier, and I can't download it as I have a 56K modem and no burner anyway. So basically even though I would like to get hold of a new version I'm screwed. I can't see why they can't increase their distribution channels somewhat...
    • Contact me off-list (my email is available at my URL above) and let me know your address and what version you want. I'll burn it and send it to you gratis.
      • Thanks for the offer, much appreciated, but I'm a bit reluctant to give out my address to complete strangers. I hope you understand, no offence.
        • Has it occurred to you that the reason you're having a hard time getting a copy of FreeBSD is that you're making it hard for yourself?

          Won't use a credit card, won't accept a free offer to send you a copy, don't appear to have any local friends with a burner and a high-speed connection. Ye gods, man, what do you want -- a blind-folded magic privacy fairy to drop it off with a five dollar sign taped to it for your trouble?

          I suggest looking at buying a copy of a FreeBSD book that includes a CD at a local boo
          • "I suggest looking at buying a copy of a FreeBSD book that includes a CD at a local bookstore. Pay cash and wear a disguise. That way they'll never get your address. "freebsd book cd" picks up a couple of likely hits on google."

            The books are all out of date. I want a current release , not one from 12 months or more back. Plus you only ever get the base OS with the books, not all the extra stuff. Yes I'm making it hard for myself , but with good reason.
            • only ever get the base OS
              You should get the complete CD disk 1 that you would from anywhere, CD 2 is a live CD so thats not as important.

              out of date
              Its called ports, and CVSup

              Yes I'm making it hard for myself , but with good reason
              Not unless your on the run from the law, in which case I don't think too many people would be quick to help you at all.
            • Who cares if it's out of date?

              I mean, really, you've already said you don't have the bandwidth to download it in the first place. It follows, then, that you don't have the bandwidth to track -stable or -current and keep properly up to date either.

              That's how FreeBSD works: you CVSup the current source of the operating system itself as well as the ports tree. While individual changes are small, there's a *lot* of "churn" in (for the example) the ports tree. If you're concerned about staying up to date, you
    • You don't have a CompuUSA, Fry's or Best Buy nearby ? I've actually seen them there ( granted its usually a version or so behind ).
    • > and I can't download it as I have a 56K modem and no burner anyway.

      I downloaded 5.1 when I was on a 56K modem - hardly major, and then cvsupped to 5.2, 5.2.1, and 5.3 all via modem, keeping all 900odd ports uptodate too.
    • CompUSA sells the booked set with the new handbook or and order it.

  • I really don't see any reason to stick with FreeBSD, especially FreeBSD 4, instead of switching to DragonFlyBSD.

Is a computer language with goto's totally Wirth-less?