EuroBSDCon 2004 26
Anonymous Reward writes "During the final weekend of October, nearly 200 people attended EuroBSDCon in Karlsruhe, Germany. The event offered a keynote by Apple's Jordan Hubbard, 23 talks organized in two tracks, a social event inside Luigi Colani's exhibition, and multiple coffee breaks to socialize. ONLamp.com has just published a report with funny pics..."
Honestly (Score:5, Insightful)
I think that it would be a very interesting thing to have a conference where as many developers as possible get together for a week long party and idea mixer.
One where the developers of things like OpenBGPd could talk straight to the developers of FreeBSD about how to properly integrate it, showing what was done to make it all work on OpenBSD and getting it to on FreeBSD.
Where people that make the systems and tools are face to face with one another and actually interact. How better can anyone spot the various pros and cons of the BSDs and improve on them then bringing together the people that work on the different codebases and getting them to talk and read eachother's stuff.
I am not saying that putting Darren Reed and Daniel Hartmeier in seats right next to each other would be the best thing, but getting people together really could help out the quality of all the projects.
Re:Honestly (Score:3, Funny)
That would be fun to watch.
Re:Honestly (Score:1)
Re:Uhm, (Score:2)
If the article submitter wanted to say that Hubbard was 23, he or she would have written, "The event offered a keynote by Apple's Jordan Hubbard, 23, with ## talks organized in two tracks"
I thought it was clear that the submitter was making a list of items separated by commas:
- Keynote by Apple's Jordan Hubbard
- 23 talks organized into two tracks
- a social event inside Luigi Colani's exhi
There are more BSD than Linux boxes.. (Score:4, Interesting)
More proof that BSD are a lively corpse : "By the way, some time ago I heard an advocacy speech by Murray Stokely who said something amazing that I think we should write everywhere. If you take Linux as a unique movement, then it is bigger than FreeBSD, but if you take each distribution (per Netcraft's Linux OS detection statistics), then FreeBSD has more users than Red Hat. Did you know that?"
Re:There are more BSD than Linux boxes.. (Score:1)
Re:There are more BSD than Linux boxes.. (Score:4, Insightful)
Unfortunately, to some it is trying to destroy the BSDs. I don't much like the Linux systems' users proclaiming how dead BSD is now because of Linux' existance, doesn't stop people from saying it. And in the other way, Linux systems' users don't take too kindly to BSD people talking about how screwed up the way the Linux operating systems are developed and how shitty the code is to read.
I would say that the two sides of the trolling have taken things that are partially based on fact and turned them into big stinking horse loads.
Such is life, BSDs have had their ability to penetrate the market limited by the existance of an alternative that some companies like to use in accordance with buzzwords.
Linux systems' development are less structured, from the kernel to the bringing together of the systems, at least from the eyes of anyone that has seen a more structured development style, this is seen as a bad thing. And the kernel code is not as well coded and commented as other systems, the functionality I cannot say is bad, but the reading is hard.
I would not say that this makes Linux a piece of crap out to destroy the BSDs, I would simply say that I greatly dislike the way it is developed. I also happen to prefer the more structured form of userland used by BSDs.
I prefer to take a look at things on a system by system basis, the one that to me makes the most sense is OpenBSD. It only needs one floppy and a nic to install, it has very clear man pages and as long as you read up first you are good to go for asking the community about damn near anything. That doesn't make Gentoo the evil anti-OpenBSD, nor is SuSE, Fedora, Slack or Mandrake; hell, I had a damned hard time trying to install any of them so I must be completely out there and outside the norm of computer users.
There are avantages to the way in which your kernel of choice is made and disadvantages; that your core developers don't control or know all the code is a disadvantage, that you have a far greater number of code submissions is an advantage. I may not agree with it, but that doesn't stop it, so keep going, it really won't hurt me any.
Re:There are more BSD than Linux boxes.. (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:Object Lesson (Score:2, Insightful)
Most people will agree that the GPL is hard for businesses to accept because of the forced sharing model, while the more liberal BSD license is easier to accept. See http://www.computerweekly.com/articles/article.as p ?liArticleID=135100
For some *real* research links... (Score:5, Informative)
No surprise that Research conducted at Harvard in year *2000* [harvard.edu] (here [usenix.org]'s the full text) tells a different story: BSD's Soft Updates technology is on par with journaling on the whole, and in many cases it provides superior performance.
It's nice to see the GNU fans spreading FUD about BSD (this, and the whole "BSD is dying" campaign). One might wonder what's the difference between GNU and the big and evil corporations they hate so much, since they're using the same dishonest marketing techniques - and spreading FUD is really the most disgusting.
Luckily, the OS world hasn't been monopolized yet by FUD-spreading corporations and FUD-spreading communists. There still is BSD - and it's here to stay. [netcraft.com] :)
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Being able to read *other people's* source code is a nice thing, not a 'fundamental freedom'.
Re:BSD: a litany of failure (Score:2)
It was started by some guy with a server, not a programmer. A project needs a lead that can actually lead it if it is to be a sucess, some guy that wants people to do some programming for him is not a lead but more of a figurehead.
BSD usage is on the rise, it has never stopped increasing in it's userbase.
BSD's overall market penetration on a purely single operating system basis (ie: take each Linux operating system as it's own operating system rather th