GNOME 2.5.0 Available For FreeBSD

Dan writes "FreeBSD's Joe Marcus Clarke announces that GNOME 2.5.0 desktop, the "Obviously you're not a golfer" release, is now available for FreeBSD. You can check out this release from the MarcusCom CVS repository. Be sure to get the latest copy of the "marcusmerge" script while you're there to help with the upgrade. Thanks to FreeBSD GNOME users, there is also a man page to go with this script. NOTE: this is a developers release, and bugs will exist. If you're not into bug-hunting, you should probably steer clear until 2.6.0 is released."

Re:"Obviously, You're not a Golfer"

[joey shabadu]

This release will drop your bowling ball on your bathroom tile and then piss on your fucking rug !
He pissed on my fucking rug.
He pissed on your fucking rug.
That rug really brought the room together dude.
Shut the fuck up Donny.

Are you guys coming or what?

[grilo]

I'm extremely happy in watching Marcus and the whole FreeBSD-Gnome team doing such a good job in bringing a full-blown, easy to build (can't beat the ports collection) gnome desktop into the OS.

I wonder if they have any plans to bring Ximian Desktop or Dropline or something like that into the ports collection... I think it could be interesting.

Nevertheless, I'm still considering the gnome 2.5 changes, but I'll probably leap towards testing it and do some reporting from my side, since I'm not much of a coder! :)

P.S.- Do these people think they're funny or something? This whole "BSD is dying" crap from linsux/winblows fanboys, is getting on my nerve...

fuckin wankers

We might aswell take off the BSD section, with this kind of feeback all the time, it's plain useless.

Re:Are you guys coming or what?

[Anonymous Coward]

FreeBSD is better than GNU/Linux. Just on the licence alone. Having a settlement with USL means no SCO lawsuit.

Re:Are you guys coming or what?

[timmarhy]

Face it, there are plenty of companies out there with an intrest in keeping *BSD rolling becuase it has been/is such a wealth of inovative code (network stack anyone).
Freebsd is NOT slower the any linux distro out there to pimps. far quicker then many bloated distro's.

Re:Are you guys coming or what?

[Anonymous Coward]

I wonder if they have any plans to bring Ximian Desktop

Given the past POV of Miguel de Icaza was to code in such a way to avoid FreeBSD compatiblity in addition to his past rabid pro-GPL stance, only the removal of his influance and placement of people who show that Open Source is not JUST GNU/Linux.

Re:Are you guys coming or what?

[Anonymous Coward]

Well I switched to BSD from Linux and found a system that has better package management, boots up heaps faster and is easier to manage than any Linux distro.

The only thing that comes close to BSD's package system is Debian's apt-get, and its still not there.

Re:Are you guys coming or what?

[tarius8105]

1) Make sure you have the development toolset installed (already a potential security problem)

If it is a "potential" security problem, then all you need to do is build the kernel or application in a sandbox environment and copy the kernel out.

2) Enter a few CVS commands to get the fixed source

Not for me. All I have to do is run cvsup with my sup file and I get the sources right away. Then all I have to do is rebuild the kernel, which is very simple too, or I can rebuild the components themselves qu

Re:Are you guys coming or what?

[pyros]

You arent fetching sources, you're fetching compiled binaries. The beauty of FreeBSD is you can optimize your system

The APT system supports source repositories. The official Debian archives offer the source to every package, so it is entirely possible to install the base system with the installer, and then use nothing but locally built packages using apt/dpkg.

Re:Are you guys coming or what?

[pyros]

Yeah but the question is can you pass application specific build parameters

I can't say for certain, but I would have to assume so. If dpkg is anything like rpm it has a simple config file to set such parameters. I know you can pass options on the command line when building rpms though.

Re:Are you guys coming or what?

[tarius8105]

Erm, doesn't really answer the question. Still not as quick as one single "apt-get" command is it?

Depends on what you're trying to get. Prebuilt Kernel? Maybe good for that if you're happy with the default one. As for packages, FreeBSD has something similar to apt-get.

[root@revan /usr/ports/www/lynx] pkg_add -r lynx
Fetching ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/pack a ges-5.1-release/Latest/lynx.tbz... Done.

Thats all I have to do for a package that is listed in ports. The only benefit ap

Re:Are you guys coming or what?

[tarius8105]

yeah, pkg_add is good, but that's only for external packages. debian doesn't differentiate between base and extras, and so any part can be updated with apt-get.

Yeah someone was working on a project called FreeBSD update which would be a binary update for the base install. with bsd, if its part of the base system and not the ports, you still have to go through the whole cvsup stuff. though like you say you can automate much of it with perl scripts, its still not as qukck and easy as apt-get as the oirigna

Re:Are you guys coming or what?

[pyros]

Linux can not handle multiple compiles at once, hence its not really meant as a server OS

Unless you intentionally left 'build' out of that sentence before 'server' this is a stupid statement. Since when is it a good idea to have a compiler on your server? Even if you did specifically mean build server, in most cases that just means running remote shells to do the compiling (like rsh or ssh) and not some spiffy server app that receives build requests from a build client (yes I know there are distributed bui

Re:Are you guys coming or what?

[tarius8105]

Unless you intentionally left 'build' out of that sentence before 'server' this is a stupid statement. Since when is it a good idea to have a compiler on your server? Even if you did specifically mean build server, in most cases that just means running remote shells to do the compiling (like rsh or ssh) and not some spiffy server app that receives build requests from a build client (yes I know there are distributed build systems like Rational's clearmake, but that's not the norm). Besides all that it can ha

Re:Are you guys coming or what?

[pyros]

Threading - Why would I watch a DVD on a dev machine or server? You said Linux was a bad server because it can't do multiple compiles. I said I have no trouble doing concurrent builds, so you tell me to watch a DVD and compile software. Now you're mixing desktop and server usage to say FreeBSD is a better server. I don't deny the latency issues you bring up, but I do take issue with the examples you use to illustrate your point.

Hardware support - You said, and I quote, "BSD isnt meant for desktop, its mea

Re:Are you guys coming or what?

[Xabraxas]

You're absolutely right about system security. The question is which one is more secure out of the box? Red Hat Linux? If you think so, then you're dead wrong. FreeBSD asks you if you want to enable a higher kernel security mode after setup. If you go with extreme, only way on the box is through the console. Linux allows users to su to root without being in the wheel group, which is also a security risk. I'm not going to point out the security hazzards with Linux and FreeBSD, I just wanted to give a point o

Re:Are you guys coming or what?

[Empty Threats]

If you have the money for a "graphics workstation", you have the money to pay for a closed source X server with decent GL drivers. It's that simple. http://www.xig.com/Pages/ProductsMasterPage.html is a good place to start. X drivers for FireGL, at least. Who would do work on dangerously unstable nVidia drivers, anyway?

Re:Are you guys coming or what?

[Anonymous Coward]

Wow tarius, I was expecting something a bit more informed than that. Some of the stuff you've said is purely anecdotal and unprobable; other lines are just lies. Let's see:

"Linux can not handle multiple compiles at once"

What? Are you blinded by zealotry here or something? I've been running Linux (and BSD) boxes for eight years -- I have never, _ever_ had one of my Debian or Slackware boxes crash. (I'm specific about the distros because Mandrake et al. are bug-ridden). Multip

Re:Are you guys coming or what?

[tarius8105]

This is incorrect, and no offence but it makes you look stupid. Let's try to understand, OK? The GPL doesn't mandate anything like that.

I can make any modifications I want to a GPLed program without having "make it available to everyone in the world". I can hack it, put my name all over it, change it to what I want; it's only if I _distribute_ it that I need to also release the source. You see?

Better than watching some company take my enhancements and use them for their own gain.

I like the last part

Re:Are you guys coming or what?

[00420]

While I certainly don't agree with you that Linux sucks, I definately agree that the posts in the BSD section usually do.

I personally don't get it. With how anti-MS most Linux users are (me being one of them), I don't understand why any of them would want to attack any [free] MS competitor. (Especially if they try to use the monoculture is bad argument against MS)

Oh well, F-them. As somebody mentioned in a post from another BSD article a couple of weeks ago, you just have to bump up your threshold in t

Re:Are you guys coming or what?

[naelurec]

I like FreeBSD as well. Perhaps it was simply due to the fact I moved to it from Red Hat and fell in love with the ports/packages system.

As far as the "BSD is dying" crap .. yah, it is really annoying. I use other sources for BSD news that are a bit more umm.. grown-up.

Needless to say, it seems like FreeBSD if anything is growing, not dying. With the very logical and well laid out file system, ports system, ipfw firewall and relatively easy upgrade process (make buildworld, make installworld, portupgrade)