OpenBSD3.4 Shipping

skelley writes "As seen on deadly.org, OpenBSD 3.4 CDs have begin to ship. If you ordered one already, you should see a charge appear on your credit card (if that's how you paid) and you should expect to see your CD in the next few days to week (depending on where you are). The CDs are being shipped from Calgary. This is earlier than expected, but hey ... enjoy it!"

Re:Troll-in-one

[Shanep]

I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you BSD fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a BSD box (a PIII 800 w/512 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this BSD box, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.

From my old server...

login as: root
root@10.0.0.2's password:
Last login: Thu Oct 16 13:12:27 2003 from 10.0.0.13
OpenBSD 3.2 (GENERIC) #25: Thu Oct 3 19:51:53 MDT 2002

Welcome to OpenBSD: The proactively secure Unix-like operating system.

Please use the sendbug(1) utility to report bugs in the system.
Before reporting a bug, please try to reproduce it with the latest
version of the code. With bug reports, please try to ensure that
enough information to reproduce the problem is enclosed, and if a
known fix for it exists, include that as well.

Terminal type? [xterm]
Don't login as root, use su
oldserver# dmesg|grep cpu0
cpu0: F00F bug workaround installed
cpu0: Intel Pentium/MMX ("GenuineIntel" 586-class) 200 MHz
cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8,MMX
oldserver# dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/share/17MB.bin bs=32k count=544
544+0 records in
544+0 records out
17825792 bytes transferred in 1.110 secs (16057261 bytes/sec)
oldserver# ls -la /home/share/*.bin
-rw-r--r-- 1 root nobody 17825792 Oct 16 15:25 /home/share/17MB.bin
oldserver# time cp /home/share/17MB.bin /home/share/music
0.0u 1.3s 0:01.66 81.9% 0+0k 293+1916io 11pf+0w
oldserver# time cp /home/share/17MB.bin /home/share/17MB.bak
0.0u 1.3s 0:05.23 26.0% 0+0k 286+1916io 0pf+0w

That's 1.66 seconds to copy a file exactly 17Mbytes from one disk to another, on an Pentium 200 MMX OpenBSD 3.2 machine.

To more closly match what you are doing, copying the same file to the same disk took 5.23 seconds.

1. You can not play games on it. Yeah, when I want to play games, the first thing I think is OpenBSD!

2. It cannot be used by my grandma. Neither can PIX. Your point?

3. It lacks a GUI of any note. You obviously consider any free Unix that doesn't come installed by default with a GUI as "lacking a GUI". I guess you use Mandrake because that is all you are capable of using.

4. There is no support available for it. http://www.openbsd.org/support.html [openbsd.org]

5. It is an assortment of fragmented OSes. This is so untrue. The BSD's are whole and complete units in themselves. You wanna talk fragmentation, look at Linux.

6. It cannot be run on the x86 platform. Idiot. This is the worst troll I have ever seen. http://www.openbsd.org/plat.html [openbsd.org]

7. You have to compile everything and know C. http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=pkg_a dd&sektion=1&format=html [openbsd.org]

8. Support for the latest hardware is always poor. BSD's often supports certain hardware before Linux does (crypto, USB, etc) and once something is supported, the support often tends to be much better (WiFi).

9. It is incompatiable with GNU/Linux. OpenBSD supports binary emulation of most programs from SVR4 (Solaris), FreeBSD, Linux, BSD/OS, SunOS and HP-UX. (from the OpenBSD front page)

10.It is dying. Yeah, right. Do you think that if you keep saying something, it will happen? The only thing that will happen, is that most people will ignore you and a few will take the time to ridicule you.