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Wind River To Stop Selling BSD/OS 396

David writes "According to an article on Bsdnewsletter.com, OS company Wind River has said it will be stopping sales of BSD/OS on this December 31st, and product support exactly one year thereafter. Only 15 more weeks to grab the final 5.1 update before this piece of history might be gone forever..."
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Wind River To Stop Selling BSD/OS

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  • Re:Good riddance. (Score:2, Informative)

    by BWJones ( 18351 ) on Wednesday September 10, 2003 @07:57PM (#6926457) Homepage Journal
    *BSD is dead. This is just more proof of what we've all already known.

    Ummmm. FreeBSD? OS X? Come on now, with OS X, we have a flavor of FreeBSD that is now the largest shipping *nix in the world.

  • Okay, okay... (Score:5, Informative)

    by c0dedude ( 587568 ) on Wednesday September 10, 2003 @07:59PM (#6926466)
    Before we all go off on the *bsd is dying trip, let's look at the actual statistics, from Netcraft. [netcraft.com] This survey is current. Thanks.
  • BSD Dead? (Score:2, Informative)

    by markalanj ( 60299 ) on Wednesday September 10, 2003 @08:02PM (#6926481)
    I have to disagree that BSD itself is dead. Maybe what was once BSDI yes but not BSD in general. Personally I prefer using FreeBSD for serving over Linux. Its stable,consistant and the ports collection rocks! Sure its not for everyone and it maybe dead in the mainstream but its heart still beats for those geeks who want a geeks os.
  • Commercial Arm (Score:4, Informative)

    by cplater ( 155482 ) * on Wednesday September 10, 2003 @08:08PM (#6926529) Homepage
    BSD/OS was the commercial version of the BSD world. A few years ago there was a push to bring it up to date with the current FreeBSD at the time. Hopefully this will allow more focus on the *BSDs. I'm a real *BSD fan, but I wasn't even aware that this was still around, or even being actively developed.
  • The full letter (Score:5, Informative)

    by knobee ( 246923 ) <knobee@wetworks.org> on Wednesday September 10, 2003 @08:12PM (#6926562)
    you can find the full announcement here [clegg.com]. Alan Clegg -- Formerly abc@bsdi.com [mailto]
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 10, 2003 @08:18PM (#6926596)
    you forget OpenBSD sir!

    Also, BSDi has given code up to open source in the past, the BSD auth system being the largest of these contributions.
  • by FreeLinux ( 555387 ) on Wednesday September 10, 2003 @08:20PM (#6926603)
    Wind River is an embedded OS company. Their main OS vxWorks is used by many major vendors of things like switches, routers, PBXs and who knows what else.
  • by Alinraz ( 533041 ) on Wednesday September 10, 2003 @08:33PM (#6926678)
    Primarily an embedded OS and tools company. They sell VxWorks (OS), the Vision* (...Probe, ...ICE, ...Click) products, SNiFF+ (A code management/editor/analysis package that rocks and runs on Linux), and Diab (embedded compiler).

    We use several of their products at my company to develop MCF5407 systems. Not that I'd buy WR products again though...

    Actually, they're really a "aquire and kill" company...over the last several years they've gone on a major aqusions binge, and many of the products of companies they've aquired (mostly competitors, and often with superior products) they've either let stagnate or killed outright.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 10, 2003 @08:58PM (#6926804)
    /.

    They sell the egregiously overhyped real-time operating system VXWORKS, which has reasonable performance (why, it rivals the RT-11 OpSystem DEC built in the 70s!) and a user interface so horrible it makes *nix and IBM mainframes seem positively warm and fuzzy.

    One assumes they bought BSD to plunder some techniques and standard API routines... or so that nobody could sue them for any *nix code that might be found in vxworks. What with SCO's recent antics, they are probably feeling pretty clever over at Wind River these days.

    --Charlie
  • by SmackCrackandPot ( 641205 ) on Wednesday September 10, 2003 @09:25PM (#6926930)
    Wind River Systems made the following acquisitions and sales:

    In May 2000, they bought AudeSi [bizjournals.com] for $40,000,000 and Norwegian company ICESoft for $25,000,000

    In April 2001, they bought the software assets of Berkeley Software Design Inc. [bizjournals.com]

    There's an interesting quote from Business Week [businessweek.com] at this time.

    owning the assets of an open-source software company doesn't guarantee gaining access to the talent of programmers in the open-source community

    Rather not surprisingly, in January 2002, they sold FreeBSD [com.com]

    From Algonet [algonet.se]: Diab Data was bought by ISI who in turn were bought by Wind River Systems. EST Corporation were also bought out by Wind River Systems.

    I guess Wind River Systems were just trying to expand to fill their niche market.
  • by pyrrhonist ( 701154 ) on Wednesday September 10, 2003 @10:31PM (#6927293)
    I don't get it, please, someone enlighten me.

    This is a running joke that has been going on for a very long time. BSD's imminent death has been greatly exaggerated more than once, and this joke is poking fun at that fact.
    On Slashdot, this has evolved into a troll, which you can find information about in quite a few places.

    Everything2 has some general information on "BSD is dying" [everything2.com].

    Wikipedia has this to say about BSD is dying:

    *BSD is dying
    Quite frequently (especially for BSD-related stories) a comment will be posted providing dubious statistics and many links detailing the forthcoming death of the BSD operating system. With its bogus statistics and inflammatory language the original "*BSD is dying" troll was enormously successful, and was still guaranteed to generate responses years after it first appeared. Unsurprisingly many variants of this troll were created: Slashdot/VA Linux/Linux/Beos/Apple is dying. None were as successful as the original.
    These sites claim that "BSD is dying" is purely a Slashdot trolling phenomenom [wikipedia.org].

    I'm not convinced that this is the case, however, because there are some earlier examples of this joke (not the troll necessarily, but off-color remarks).
    The earliest reference I can find was in 1992, and may be one explaniation of the phenomenom: Responses to survey on the death of BSD [google.com]
    There was an article in an online magazine in 1999 that said some disparaging things about BSD's license that may have something to do with phenomenom.
    I could not find the article, but it is mentioned here: Debian wants to use FreeBSD kernel [google.com]

    There is also a * is dying [hiro-tan.org] page.

  • Re:Japanese BSD (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 10, 2003 @11:02PM (#6927466)
    There are at least three major monthly Japanese Linux magazines (with cds) plus frequent "How-to" magazines. In fact, the Turbo-Linux box version was actually outselling Windows 98 before XP went on sale. Besides Turbo-Kinux, RedHat has a localized boxed distribution and Debian and others are well-known too.

    BSD is certainly used here, but Linux is much more popular and better known to the public. Of course, Windows and Office is still the default for most people and businesses, though.
  • Re:Commercial Arm (Score:3, Informative)

    by AntiBasic ( 83586 ) on Wednesday September 10, 2003 @11:25PM (#6927581)
    So you're a BSD fan yet know so little about recent history? To be accurate, BSDI merged with Walnut Creek, changed its name to BSDi and donated the prototype BSDi BSD/OS 5.0 kernel code to the FreeBSD Project.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 11, 2003 @03:41AM (#6928654)
    I guess it's time to say a few words as a past member of the BSD/OS development team.

    Wind River had trouble dealing with the BSD thing for a long time. Keep in mind that their aim was *embedded* stuff, not the UNIX we all know and love.
    In that regard, their announcement is just a move back to a market Wind has been more successful in.

    I, too, knew the end was coming when I was one of the five people that received a pink slip in January, and I was (and I still am) worried about what happens to the people left behind. I hope they do well; some have troube dealing with the loss of something they've worked on for a decade or more.

    Of the five that have left, many have found a new place, but some are still looking. If you're looking for some *real* good folk, ping them. (I work at a leading Dutch security company now).

    I've had a *wonderful* 6 years at BSDI/Wind, and would like to thank the people I've worked with (including customers) for making it happen.

    BSD development will continue, it will just happen elsewhere. May the source be with you.

    Geert Jan
  • BSD/OS dead (Score:2, Informative)

    by corbosman ( 136668 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @04:53AM (#6928797) Homepage
    BSD/OS has actually been in a coma for quite some time. Shutting down life support is the only fair thing to do.

    We used to run BSD/386 back in 1992 and used BSD/OS upto about 4.1. Around that point BSD/OS started to lag behind in the fast pace of development, but most importantly, in support. When you pay tens of thousands of dollars for licenses with no visible return you tend to start looking for alternatives.

    We switched our whole ISP (now around 600 servers) to FreeBSD with little hassle.

    It's a shame though, BSD/OS had some cool people behind it.

    Cor
  • by ui9872 ( 679896 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @05:49AM (#6928954)
    In Japan, *BSD (especially FreeBSD) is very popular.
    You can see BSD Magazine [ascii.co.jp] and much more
  • by lannygodsey ( 690087 ) <lannygodsey@[ ]oo.com ['yah' in gap]> on Thursday September 11, 2003 @11:03AM (#6930762) Homepage
    While in high school, I helped start an ISP. My friends father put up the money and away we went. After the SunOS (BSD! not Solaris) machine got to be slow (around 1993), we decided to try a couple cheap Pentium 66/75 machines (~~$2500). We used an SLS distribution w/ kernel 0.99 and we were pretty happy with it. Along the way we upgraded to Slackware and around the time of kernel 1.2.8 we were cracked.
    Why on earth would someone crack and trash a system? There goes the neighborhood.
    We switched the machines to Solaris 2.5 x86 (If I recall, it was $700/machine for the license) but you got great stuff including a Windows 3 emulator!
    Being a BSD fan, the only thing I really liked about Solaris was /usr/ucb (*chuckle*).
    While Solaris was O.K., I had also become adicted to the Free Software Concept. (Side Note, my favorite computers were Amiga and I loved Fred Fish Disks. The Software Distillary BBS was my favorite BBS :) )
    After talking to a few people at a HAM RADIO FEST, I picked up FreeBSD which is what all our machines (save a few linux machines for customers who want to run linux for one reason or another).
    So, since 1995 we've had two problems, one was that restoring from a QIC tapes on 2.2 series was REALLY SLOW, so the drive upgrade we thought would last an hour, turned into 8. The second problem was insecure file permissions (our fault).
    FreeBSD has been a champ, I don't really care about FreeBSD vs OpenBSD vs Linux, I care about how it works.
    up 301+16:24, 0 users, load 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
    up 502+12:47, 2 users, load 0.08, 0.20, 0.17
    up 612+23:09, 0 users, load 0.02, 0.03, 0.00
    As you can see, I haven't been woken up in the middle of the night w/ THE SERVER IS DOWN for at least a year. Yes, that's what I care about. It works and works and works.
    FreeBSD makes me look good :)

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