Why UNIX is better than Windows... By Microsoft

BenBenBen writes "According to a whitepaper found on "a fairly insecure server", UNIX not only is more reliable and easier to maintain than Windows (2000 in this case), it's cheaper too. These shock results are reported on both The Register and (the source) Security Office."

Great Quote

[Anonymous Coward]

Each division "should eat its own dogfood."

Coming soon to a vendor near you - Dogfood(TM) .NET edition

slashdotted

[An Onimous Cow Herd]

B******s - i just discovered this artive via another site and tried to read - instantly slashdotted!
WTF is it runing on - a quad Xeon IIS 2.0/w2k machine with 1 GB memory?

What does this have to do with BSD?

[Anonymous Coward]

It shows that Windows is dying, not BSD!

Microsoft....

[dirkdidit]

may have insecure server products(and desktop products for that matter) but whatever Security Office was running is nothing more than a smoking pile of silicon and hard drive.

News at 11

[Yoda2]

Author of "secret" whitepaper hung with sheet over head from balcony by Bill Gates.

UNIX better than Windows?

[Noryungi]

You mean... You mean... That instead of paying for Win2000, I could have installed FreeBSD instead?

Oh, the humanity!

(Yes, this was sarcastic!)

shock results?

[greechneb]

Saying this are shock results is like saying finding out Micheal Jackson had plastic surgery.

Slow down cowboy!

[Theodore Logan]

There has been one hour and 46 minutes since the last MS critical article was posted. You need to wait at least two hours.

Re:Does republishing these...

[MacAndrew]

I realized after I hit submit that I was thinking by the old rules -- I should have asked whether pilfering documents from their server wasn't punishable by a federal death penalty by now. (I wish that was entirely a joke.)

Also, isn't the paper just the opinion of the writer, and dismissable by MS like the tobacco industry dismissed the memo by one of its ad exec mapping out marketing cigarettes to children. They would never do such a thing, no.

That MS has one honest soul in its ranks shouldn't be all that much of a shocker, right? Oops, I guess that was a troll.

Re:Hotmail?

[petis]

> Wouldn't it be neat if MS put out a fully
> reliable, configurable, cheap O/S?

Yeah, they could call it MS/Linux.

Re:slashdotted

[phil reed]

SecurityOffice.net is in Turkey. We've probably slashdotted the entire country's bandwidth.

And in another memo...

[Zemran]

Bill Gates has accepted that bears really do shit in the woods.

Obligitory Simpsons Quote

[Tassach]

<simpsons voice="nelson">
Ha, Ha
</simpsons>

Looks like once again, M$ gets busted for lying through it's teeth. Of course, that's what all good marketing is. Not that any of this comes as a suprise for anyone who's administered both Windows and *nix boxen.

Maybe if...

[cenonce]

M$ used *nix servers, they wouldn't have this problem

-A

Re:Slow down cowboy!

[w1r3sp33d]

it was taco who put up this story not neal, apparently he didn't get that memo... we should ALL send him a copy of the "two hour" memo along with his TSP reports!

Re:Hotmail?

[fallacy]

Don't you mean MS/GNU/Linux? Or GNU/Microsoft/Linux or....
You get the idea.

If it were to come about, it would the most (or should that be "only"?) schizophrenic OS out there - constantly battling with itself to be free (as in speech) and closed at the same time. Perhaps they could reincarnate Bob as some little clippy that tries to both help and screw with with. Oh no wait, I believe the standard Clippy [microsoft.com] already does that...

Re:Is This Necessarily Bad?

[red_dragon]

Ugh... the Submit button needs to be placed farther away from the Preview button (*covers head with brown paper bag*).

Re:slashdotted - bandwidth

[Insightfill]

Agreed - most likely, it's just some guy with a 28K modem who's got a dedicated phone line. Sometimes, his mom picks up the wrong line and the whole site goes down.

Re:Bingo!

[kcbrown]

Even if Microsoft turned around tomorrow and made everything GPL, fixed their security holes and sent chocolates and hookers to Linus and RMS, I'd still prefer Unix for the power of the command line.

Yeah, but what if they sent chocolates and hookers to you?

Re:The goal in mind being UNIX?

[MalleusEBHC]

If Apple, with far less resources of any kind whatsoever, managed to plug a decent user interface on the top of a free UNIX-like layer, Microsoft could certainly do the same, only better and faster.

Duh. They would just copy the Apple product like they have for all those other great M$ GUI "innovations."

Re:The goal in mind being UNIX?

[agallagh42]

Actually, AMG [mercedes-benz.com] doesn't build faster processors, they build faster Mercedes Benzes. AMD [amd.com] builds faster processors.

Re:Bingo!

[Arker]

Yeah, but what if they sent chocolates and hookers to you?

If he's anything like me, he'd eat them both.

I can see how that would go...

[qwijibrumm]

MS: It's easy to implement a good UI on top of unix... We know from experience.

Consumer: No, no you don't.

MS: Yeah... But our friends. Them and unix GOT IT ON!

Consumer: No... They didn't.

MS: No... But you could imagine what it'd be like if they did.

clean code in apple OS?

[EnderWiggnz]

look - until they went to a BSD kernel, the OS acted like it was written by some dropouts in a garage.

Re:Exactly.

[grub]

WARNING: Your comment "Are slashdotters extremely naive or something" brings common sense into a slashdot discussion. Common sense on slashdot goes against several RFCs.Your karma will be appropriately decimated.

Thank you,

The Editors

Re:The goal in mind being UNIX?

[Squareball]

So that new benz I just bought ISN'T going to run UT2003 faster? DAMN IT!!!!!!!!

Death penalty, I wish!...

[coyote-san]

Nope, not the death penalty.

A special clause on page 394 of the enacting legislation says that anyone convicted of publishing Microsoft's dirty laundy is enjoined from using any other operating system for life. It's Microsoft only, baby!

Repeat offenders are enjoined from using any operating system other than Windows ME.

And for the hard-core cases... they bring out BOB.

Am I the only one...

[Zonekeeper]

that upon opening http://www.microsoft.com/servers , read "Build and Deploy", as "Build and Destroy"?

Re:Is This Necessarily Bad?

[Pig Hogger]

Most big corporations have intelligent technicians. However, the message gets lost somewhere between tech and management.

As always. Nothing new there...

Re:Huh?

[Cleon]

Though, of course, this is Microsoft we're talking about, king of the "New Major Security Hole Discovered" PR philosophy.

The only servers they have are Really Insecure, Fairly Insecure, and "You want an FTP login with that?"

Re:Does republishing these...

[schlach]

MS might sick [sic] their lawyers...

yuck yuck yuck

=)

Re:Slow down cowboy!

[damien_kane]

we should ALL send him a copy of the "two hour" memo along with his TSP reports!

Although it may be more effective to send the memo with the one about the TPS reports.

Re:And this is news?

[fferreres]

Why should we believe another "white paper" will turn the tide?

We don't, slashdot publishes what we aready think is abvious not for mere redundancy, but to keep our morale when our favorite game/app wont run under Unix, or when you have to compile 75 dependencies to get Evolution to run properly. :)

Like it matters...

[hendridm]

I am reminded of a time during my short term at Best Buy where I was demoing an eMachine with Windows XP for a customer. All of a sudden, the screen froze and there was no response from keyboard or mouse. Embarrassed, I quickly made up some excuse and went to Start -> "Turn off computer" to restart the machine.

The next words out of the customer's mouth were, "Oooh, I like how it fades."

Apparently, this customer was an ex-Millenium user who looked past computer lockups as commonplace, or perhaps they just really dig user interfaces and could care less about the fact that a new display computer is having problems locking up during a simple mouse meneuver.

Re:The goal in mind being UNIX?

[mini me]

No, but it will bring GTA3 to a whole new level.

Re:Pardon my scepticism

[Rich0]

Hopefully, they remembered to turn off auto-correct and "smart" quotes.

And now we understand the origin of all the MS security holes.

Clippy: It looks like you're trying to copy an unchecked buffer, would you like help with this feature?...

Re:Pardon my scepticism

[Fascist Christ]

But you are forgetting one thing. Though you may hate the taste of dog food, it is actually a lot more nutritious than almost every made-for-human alternative.

Re:clean code in apple OS?

[Zordak]

It wasn't?

Re:Death penalty, I wish!...

[Zordak]

What are you afraid of? A fate worse than death?

No, just death. Isn't that enough?

...

Apparently it isn't.

Re:The goal in mind being UNIX?

[Fulcrum of Evil]

Of course, in all fairness, Microsoft licensed the mac look & feel from apple, who got it from parc, who couldn't sell water purifiers to an Ethiopian.

Re:Is This Necessarily Bad?

[red flavor]

Regarding the tech's opinions on switching hotmail to MS:

In the beginning was The Plan,

And then came the assumptions,

And the assumptions were without form,

And the plan was completely without substance,

And the Darkness came upon the face of the workers.

And they did rent their garments and spake unto the Production Manager, saying, "Yea, it is an unholy crock of shit and the stench doth offend us".

And the Production Manager went unto the Strategists, saying " It is a pail of excrement and none may abide its odour thereof".

And the Strategists went unto the Business Manager crying unto the heavens saying " It is a container of manure, it is very strong such that none here may abide it."

And the Business Manager went unto the Director saying unto him,

"Harken unto me, it is a vessel of fertiliser, and none may abide its strength".

And the Director went unto the Vice-President crying " It contains that which aids plant growth, and is very strong".

And the Vice-President came before the Senior Vice-President and raising his face before God cried loudly "It promoteth growth and it is very powerful - see how we are blessed",

And the Senior Vice-President went forward and spake unto the President saying " Let not your heart be trouble for this new plan will actively promote the growth and efficiency of the company",

And the President looked upon the plan and saw that it was good,

AND LO, THE PLAN BECAME POLICY.

Re:Exactly.

[Anonymous Brave Guy]

Noooooooo! Now you've spawned a whole new generation of bad jokes...

Karma: xcellent (ostly affcted by oderationdone to yur commens and subequent dcimation)

Re:The goal in mind being UNIX?

[HiredMan]

It would be their death to make an MS/BSD.

Yeah, obviously, because BSD is dying.

Omigod, I just like totally trolled! ;)
What, am I the only one who reads at -1? Is this thing on?

=tkk

Re:Exactly.

[geekoid]

"Windows 2000 rarely needs a reboot "

yes, it is nearly 2 nines...

Re:Chocolate and Hookers

[Jason Earl]

I don't think that I would accept a hooker from Microsoft. My guess is that she would have a virus.

Chocolate, on the other hand...

New Microsoft MasterCard ad?

[chaeron]

Windows XP - $499
Office XP - $699
MS admitting that Unix is better: Priceless

Re:The goal in mind being UNIX?

[Charm]

It isn't plagiarism just because you re-order your phrases.