New mailinglist OpenBSD-IPsec-Clients

Johan Allard writes "New mailinglist started discussing the use of IPsec clients connecting to a OpenBSD gateway on http://www.allard.nu/mailman/listinfo/openbsd-ipse c-clients. I have also updated the HOWTO describing how to use PGPnet clients with OpenBSD using x509 certificates to authenticate and to use PGPnet's Acquire Virtual Identity feature. Please check http://www.allard.nu/openbsd for more details."

Re:Hehe

[rebug]

Uhm.

I can't speak for these "BSD Advocates", but am I not supposed to use GNU tools because I like BSD? No one told me.

It's also funny when GNU advocates get on people's assen about using GNU software.

Re:Hehe

[mirabilos]

Just the compiler toolchain is GNU, and Sendmail,
though I don't know why - nowhere in the files
there's a comment about it being GPL, neither
it is linked to a GPL'ed lib, or am I wrong?

Maybe as it was with "GNU" Common Lisp...

Re:Hehe

[Arandir]

Many BSD tools are better than the equivalent GNU tools. And many GNU tools are better than the equivalent from BSD. It all depends on what you want.

I don't know about OpenBSD, but many of the standard default tools for FreeBSD *are* from GNU. The converse situation (BSD tools in a Linux distro) is virtually nil. I suspect that the GNU advocates are the ones that can't abide foreign tools.

Re:Hehe

[Arandir]

The GNU versions of the basic Unix tools are larger than the BSD versions, primarily because they add a whole bunch of functionality. That's good if you have the space. But it's not good if you're in an embedded or tiny environment.

One BSD tool worth having (off the top of my head as an example): sh. Plain old sh. On my current system sh is 34K and bash is 388K. Big difference. Guess which shell I want on my rescue disk? In addition, even if bash is your primary shell (as it is mine), it still pays to make sure your shell scripts are bourne compatible. Then if you have sh on your system, instead of merely a symlink to bash, you'll use fewer resources running them. For a busy server or a slow machine it can make a noticable difference.

BSD has contributed so little outside of its little world.

It's time for YOU to wake up and smell the coffee. Sendmail, BIND, vi, TCP/IP, lpd, Berkeley DB, etc.