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Palmtop NetBSD 10

Posted by Hemos from the cool dept.
sparcv9 writes "The NetBSD Team has added another port to their ever-growing list. This time, it's NetBSD/hpcsh (HPC = Handheld PC, SH = Hitachi Super-H processor), and it currently supports the SH3 processor, with the SH4 promised in the future. It currently runs on the up-until-now WinCE-only HP Jornada palmtop PC."
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  • the article is referring to NetBSD running on SH3 - not linux
  • You would have a better chance of:

    1) Buying from SCO the $19.95 (or so) ancient Unix Source licenses
    2) taking said source and trying to shoehorn THAT onto a Palm

    I have a Altos multi-user Z80 and a set of Unix System III for that beast. If they could make System III work on a Z80, I'm betting you could make a system III-inspired port to the palm. I think the memory in a palm is bigger than the hard disk :-)

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    The Palm, like a Newton is just bad hardware to target a modern unix to.

    If you wanted to spend time in the "oh, let me make code for handheld" space, and at the end of the day have people applaud your work for providing usefulness to the largest group, there is a need for non-bloated code in the user app area. All the functions that come built into the palm/Newton 2100 came bundled with/Palm Windows^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HWinCE^H^H^H^HPocket Windows/MagicCAP/Windows for Pen/daVinchi/etc need to be duplicated somehow. And duplicated without needing GNOME+GKE+other+damn+bloat+making+things+more+like +windows+code+bloat+every+day.

    Its kinda like having a Unix Kernel loaded with no userspace apps. It just kinda sits there and doesn't *DO* much. Without userspace apps that allow work to get done, the port to small doesn't help when the code is written with the idea that you have megabytes of memory and lotsa diskspace with a big 21 inch monitor to see it all.

    And, to create low-overhead user space apps, you don't NEED anything other than your present desktop Unix! A bargan at 2x the price.

  • The 720 & 820 models use StrongArm processors, not SH3.

    Please mention this sort of thing in future articles -- we wouldn't want people to get confused and rush out and buy the wrong device, right?
    --
    Brad Knowles

  • I doubt that's it. Stories from non-"Articles" categories can still make the front page. I think it's just Linux-bias on part of the /. editors.

    Of course, if the system I mention in my sig were implemented, we wouldn't have this much of a problem.

  • According to the FAQ at http://linuxsh.sourceforge.net/, they're still working on a WinCE bootloader (which happens to be based on NetBSD's pbsdboot). There's a difference between Linux running on a SH3 evaluation board and Linux running on the HP Jornada.

    So, if you want a free Unix for your Jornada, but can't wait for Linux, there's NetBSD. Which also happens to run on the SH4.

  • BSD don't support win modems. You have one of three choices there:
    1. Write your own support. You probally would if you knew how instead of asking questions like this on slashdot.
    2. Use a linux port, I don't know what PDAs linux works on but some do.
    3. A pcmcia network card. If you want Linux or BSD on a handheld your probally savvy enough to network it to your PC.


  • What are the chances of a Palm Pilot version?

    (Yes, I know, PP's have a pre-MMU era CPU, but you can get around that using p-Codes and/or compiler restrictions)
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    Keep attacking good things as "communist"

  • I somehow doubt it's a winmodem. The processor isn't exactly a computational beast (133mhz, no idea how it would compare on a mhz-mhz basis to an x86 for FPU-intensive stuff like DSP (which you need if yer modem has no hardware chips to do it for the cpu)). If it is a winmodem, I reeeeeally doubt it'll keep a reliable connection, and of course since it'd take up ~99% cpu, all your other apps are going to halt, and your batteries would drain really damn quick... So unless the HP engineers are idiots it's probably a real modem (gotta figure the thing costs enough that the extra $50 or less that differentiates a generic windmodem circuit from a real modem circuit is "invisible").

    Sorry of this is incoherent, I'm dead tired...


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    Fuck Censorship.
  • ... wasn't this posted on the main page ? If it was Linux, it would be on the main page for sure !
  • Probably because I accidentally submitted it under Topic: BSD, Category: BSD instead of Topic: BSD, Category: Articles. I was hoping that my error would have been noticed and this had made it to the front page, but alas, here it sits.

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