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Frosty piss (Score:5, Funny)
I'm self-unemployed, you insensitive clod!
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Re:Frosty piss (Score:5, Insightful)
Okian Warrior agrees. He wants help to create a new site at www.altslashdot.org and needs help to make it happen:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4757817&cid=46170797 [slashdot.org]
This shit about forcing us onto inferior technology and inferior information at a technology site is asinine. I can't believe they are going to force us onto the beta site after all of the feedback we've given them with the specific reasons about what is wrong with the technology. If they can't believe the experts in technology who are also their customers, who are they going to believe?
For a laugh, here is an article [cio.com] written by someone at computer world and promoted at cio.com about what marketing would like to say to IT people like us. It starts off with "Chief marketing officer David Perry knows exactly what he needs from his organization's IT department" and goes downhill from there. Dice, take note that this article is so full of holes, we could tear this article apart in our sleep yet you are just like Chief marketing officer David Perry. You think you know what you need to do and you are wrong because you are not listening to us.
I agree with one thing mentioned in the article: technology people and marketing people should work more closely together. Why aren't you? Why aren't you reaching out and hearing our feedback? You have 3, 4, and 5 digit users saying very negative things about the beta site with clear logical reasoning. The 6 and 7 digit users are in full support.
Want to stop Okian Warrior and keep who you haven't lost here? Halt production of the new website and publically announce that you're scrapping it. Fix the problems with the old site and then get feedback as how to improve the old site. Yeah, some of us are a little crass, but we'll work with you if you work with us.
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I just posted to Okian's thread suggesting the possibility of a one week co-ordinated boycott to show just how many beta foes there are.
Maybe we can call ourselves the VHS_Mob. : - )
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Re:Frosty piss (Score:4, Interesting)
It turns out an AC beat me to the boycott idea by a couple of hours and is suggesting February 10th -17th, so I'm hoping beta will be a victim of the Slashdot Valentines Day Massacre.
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Ah ha. I happened to see where you posted it in reply to Okian and I bumped both of y'all up since I had mod points. :) Hopefully the word spreads and the boycott is on!
-- Common Joe
Slashdot Valentines Day Massacre: Boycott Slashdot because "Fuck Beta!": February 10 - 17
And Support Okian Warrior's Alternate Slashdot [slashdot.org] Idea!
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Join the Slashcott! Help kill beta!
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VHS_Mob ? Boycott from the 10th to 17th ? I'm in ! The new beta site sucks. not quite as bad as Windows 8 but....
Re:Frosty piss (Score:4, Insightful)
It's built on the same design principle: If it ain't broke, abandon it for something entirely different.
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They can be about the article any old time.
How many chances do you think we'll get to keep Dice from turning this place into SlashingtonPost?
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And the absolute worst part is this bullshit they're feeding us about how they're listening to our feedback and making incremental improvements. It's fucking insulting. 99% of commenters seem to want the thing gone entirely, but they're not listening to us. They're shoving a horrible design down our throats and completely disregarding everyone that doesn't agree with them.
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>For a laugh, here is an article [cio.com] written by someone at computer world and promoted at cio.com about what marketing would like to say to IT people like us. It starts off with "Chief marketing officer David Perry knows exactly what he needs from his organization's IT department" and goes downhill from there.
Ever wonder how we got milkshakes that you have to eat with a spoon?
Ever wonder how Ketchup got so thick that you have to take up lifting weights to shake it out of the bottle?
Ever wonder how Cars come out, then become bigger, wider, longer, and so many other "'ers" that they have to bring out a new car because people actually wanted the old one?
Ever wonder how an operating system could become changed so much that it isn't recognizable, and doesn't function well any more?
Marketing.
And Marketing alwa
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(a) keep beta
(b) trash beta
at least we'll know what everyone thinks about that
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How's about a poll about whether or not to go forward with beta? Then you can show us just how much everyone loves it and only a tiny minority wants it scrapped entirely! Tiny incremental improvements will change all our minds right!
So where's the poll? Oh that's right, having a >90% against it will make the opposition even more clear, and get the casual users wondering why something so horrendously unpopular is being shoved down everyone's throat.
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I outlasted Cowboy Neal.
Data says (Score:5, Funny)
Phd (Score:5, Funny)
I am a phd candidate working in an university lab, you insensitive clod.
Outlasting my co-workers means something completly different around here.
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Re:Phd and Labs (Score:3, Informative)
Have to agree. Many of those I outlasted have gone on to teach at Stanford, various other universities, and/or set up their own labs.
But I'm doing core courses to get ready for my own PhD.
A word to those not doing PhDs - get job experience NOW while still in school. You will really wish you had.
And if doing a PhD, start lining up post-doc positions BEFORE you get your PhD. You will really wish you had.
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I got a giggle out of that because depending on the subject you could very well be correct, take music for example, your not going to argue that Les Paul didn't innovate or that he is undeserving of the honorary degrees he was given. If you search a little you'll find all kinds of musicians with honorary degrees for doing something that changed music or were just really good.
Re:Phd and Labs (Score:4, Funny)
The thing with honorary degrees is that when you receive it you no longer need it.
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It's not really, though.
Sometimes, the best way to motivate your advisor to let you defend is to have a postdoc already lined up. Also, some postdoc fellowships need to be applied for many months in advance.
Moping around in the lab after you've graduated is lame.
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You don't want to do a postdoc... do something, anything else. It is absolutely the worst type of job you could get (I don't care what field it is). I've been a professor and I've been a government grant manager. I know how academic sausage is made, and it's not pretty. The lives and livelihoods of senior grad students and postdocs are gambled for big results, but they very rarely see the pay off, it will go to the faculty mentor almost without fail. Senior faculty, no matter how nice and well intentioned,
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I am a porn actor.
Outlasting my co-workers means something completely different around here.
Re: Phd (Score:2)
You insensitive clod. It means something completely different for us giggolos as well.
Golden handcuffs (Score:5, Insightful)
I've been through enough pointless death marches and had enough employers go under. Sometimes I think about pursuing something more exciting or lucrative but stability wins out for me when it comes to paychecks.
Re:Golden handcuffs (Score:5, Insightful)
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Why not try to do things on the side, on your FREE time, to make some extra $$.
Try thinking of things you enjoy doing and try to monetize those...it might work out and you could then change to work for yourself.
You ain't gonna get rich these days, working for someone else....
Re:Golden handcuffs (Score:5, Insightful)
That way lies burnout. Do something unrelated to work in your free time, lest you lose your passion.
I speak from experience :-(
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So start some projects after your regular work.
The internet is vast and infinite!
Re:Golden handcuffs (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm in the same boat. I work great hours, have weekends off, great pay and no motivation to continue climbing anymore. I don't want to switch jobs because my current job of 5 years is comfortable and I still get new challenges all the time that keep me from getting bored.
I don't understand the problem. The only thing I see in your statement that can be construed as a negative is "no motivation to continue climbing anymore," and I frankly don't see the negative in that. If you are comfortable, well paid, and kept interested, then why would escaping the rat race be a bad thing?
Or are you just bragging about how awesome you have it?
Re:Golden handcuffs (Score:4, Informative)
Yeah, it's a little hard to explain. Dating myself, but it's David Byrne singing "Well, how did I get here?", except that most choices have been conscious and logical.
Example: I have a friend who recently got tenure in the southeast US. His wife has tenure at the same college. Both worked hard, and got the desired result. Fantastic, right? No adjunct nonsense, stable positions, and their lifestyle is pretty much as they designed it.
But: It's a smaller, third rate academic institution, and no interesting, let alone groundbreaking, work is in the future for either of them. Smaller, semi-rural town, maybe an hour from a mid-level city. Barring a massive (and extremely unlikely) job offer, neither is likely to leave.
Let's be clear: Nobody feels sorry for them. Considering the alternatives, it's a pretty good spot to land. Having said that, they're done professionally, and there's no outlet for the "gotta progress" mentality. They're in a "comfortable enough bubble," but they're also looking at 25-30 years of it.
And yes, it's very "first world problem."
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Maybe they aren't interested in restaurants*, and were hoping to make a real contribution to society with their careers. The problem is, they can't, not where they are. They're stuck in dead-end academic jobs where there's no really interesting or groundbreaking work going on, and that's not going to change at that institution. They could take a big risk and try landing a job at a higher-rated institution where more interesting work goes on, but that's a big risk, and if they lose they might not be able
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Um, now they can begin professionally. I certainly hope that they were trying to get tenure so that they could educate the next generation and improve the knowledge in their chosen field. Who gives a hoot where you live if somebody is paying you to improve worldwide knowledge?
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Mod parent up...please. This is the most relevant post I've read today! It's not so much insightful as it is at reversing the lack of insight.
Re:Golden handcuffs (Score:4, Funny)
never thought that there would be a point that the quest for more money or more authority etc would no longer interest me.
Ayn Rand is spinning in her grave.
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I was in a similar situation. I've recently started getting involved in an open source project, to prepare myself for a job I expect to start in a few months.
But you know what? I'm finding that working on that open-source project is putting a spring back in my step. Maybe you'd find the same?
One aspect I'm really enjoying is that the expertise I'm developing in the OSS project's code base will be useful beyond my current job. I've lately disliked investing neurons in the nuances code bases, where I know
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That sounds all nice and well, but if you give up your comfortable middle-class career to pursue some high-risk career change and it bombs, then you might be left broke and without health insurance. How are you going to raise your kids if you don't have a decent job because you pursued something more exciting?
Missing option. (Score:5, Funny)
I am the lost employee! Paid but forgotten!
http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1992-05-05/
Varying seniority over the years... (Score:5, Interesting)
At my first company, I was the sixth employee, and we grew to over a thousand. By the time I left after nearly ten years, all of the people who had been there before me, including the founders, had all gone, along with nearly half the rest. (When the founders bug out, that's a sign it's time to move on!)
At my second company, even though I was there for five years, it was a small company, and only a handful of old-timers left, and only a handful of new-comers arrived.
Now, I've been at a HUGE company for almost exactly one year, but I don't personally know anyone who has left the company in that time. Though I've heard about some ex-employees who have come back.
So glad you asked (Score:3)
Re: So glad you asked (Score:2)
Not when you consider that people with half your tenure generally equal roughly two of you when it comes to attrition/turnover rates
Error: term "outlasted" undefined at line 0 (Score:3)
I've got seniority (by duration of employment) over all but three of the people in the company, meaning I've "outlasted" about 70% of the company. However, only a few have ever been fired or left the company - one developer was quit-fired, one administrative assistant left for family reasons and maybe a quarter-dozen interns finished doing their time and found employment elsewhere (just as many interns found full employment with us - that's how I got in here).
So if "outlast" means "been at the company longer", I've outlasted everyone without a C-level title, and even one of those who have. But if it means "how many people have been fired before you", the answer is "not a lot".
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So few people get fired around at my job that I didn't even think of that possibility. It's a fairly laid back job, even if the pay isn't phenomenal it think it's a good deal. Some people leave for a higher-stress higher-pay environment, but I'm not too interested in something like that.
No real option for me (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:No real option for me (Score:4, Insightful)
it still applies, "Outlast" just has a slightly different meaning.
Golden handshake (Score:5, Interesting)
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they made me an offer I couldn't refuse. I died and have no regrets.
That'd what I read...
Probably should broaden my horizons... (Score:5, Interesting)
Let's just say... I picked up my 3-digit Slashdot ID on the same floor that I work right now (some department re-organizations later). And I still work with several people that predate me.
Sadly, inflation-adjusted, I also still make about what I did in the 1990s.
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I picked up my 3-digit Slashdot ID five jobs ago.
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It does sometimes feel like either one would work.
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15 years here...it's two hostile takeovers and subsequent company name changes later, but the seniority stays, happily..
I'd say half of them. (Score:2)
Some left, laid off, and even a few died (recent one, who was a project manager (PM), was on Christmas 2013 day). :~(
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Thanks. Yeah, 2013 was rough for me. Too many deaths (outside of work too -- http://aqfl.net/node/10716 [aqfl.net] for the details).
Half? (Score:2)
Really hard to say. I don't keep track of the employees in the company. I've been here a bit over 6 years. Many of the old timers seem to think I've been here longer. My co-Sr Unix admin has been here for 20 years.
This is the first job I've worked at where I've done the same thing for 6 years though. The previous job I worked on two different contracts. The one before that was for the Olympics in Greece. Before that I was at the Government Agency for 13 years but changed actual jobs 5 or 6 times (contractor
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Interesting curve (Score:2)
There seems to be a strong perception, I think, that you're still "fairly new" until one day something happens and you realise that you're the old hand. There's rarely a point where you feel about half way between the two.
Missing Option (Score:2)
With 40+ engineers, we have no turnover at all. (One guy left a couple of years ago, but he's back). But then we live in a resort area, work in a recession-proof business, and are all semi-retired, old-farts.
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You got my attention. That's a lot of semi-retired engineers in a business. I'm having trouble imagining what you would be doing. Care to provide more details?
Embedded video systems. Mostly frame syncs, recorders, and converter boxes.
I'm a fixture... (Score:5, Insightful)
...Like the plumbing.
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Ahh, dude- too much shit is just passing you by :)
Speaking as another fixture I've outlasted two (and am likely to outlast the third) of three companies I have worked for in my 20 year career!
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shat on and then forgotten?
Year 15 here (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm kind of a stick in the mud, though - I was at my previous job well over a decade. I do like my job overall, and while the pay is somewhat less than I'd make on the outside (I'm at a university), the benefits are definitely better than in the private sector.
I have interviewed elsewhere a few times, and have had a couple offers; but, as a middle aged guy with a family, stability and benefits end up trumping a better salary for me.
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Year 16 here & Most of my coworkers (Score:2)
I worked in a central city public library that was closed down after a major earthquake in our city. Several of our team have retired after 20+ years on the job, others moved overseas, or were transferred to suburban or temporary libraries. I am now one of the most experienced in our team after nearly 16 years in my position. In the meantime, several new staff members have been employed that I know little to nothing about. Once our new central library is built in about 2017, it's going to be a strange f
Outlasting people is for beginners. (Score:2)
All of them. (Score:2)
Another missing option (Score:3)
I was the last of 2 (Score:4, Interesting)
At one job a while back, I got on a sinking ship just as it hit the iceberg. Somehow -- mostly by happening to be working on projects that would most be missed in the short term -- I survived 8 rounds of layoffs over a seven-year period. By the time the company's assets, technology (such as it was) and trademarks were bought out by a competitor, I was one of two left out of over 350 salaried and hourly employees in three locations. In the end, I personally ripped up the carpet we'd put down in the office, because the landlord didn't want it left after we moved out. They did give me a generous "stay till the bitter end" bonus, so I was okay with it.
When I tell the story, people compliment me for being such a valuable employee to get kept around through all that, and I have to admit to the fact I mentioned above: at each layoff, I just happened to be doing something that the management didn't want to scuttle because the current bets were on it. Pure chance. Somebody had to be the last guy to be let go, and that guy was me.
Hoping to outlive the canary (Score:2)
I am a coal miner you insensitive clod
Depends on how you measure. (Score:2)
If you consider just current employees, about half started before me and half after me. But if you consider everyone I have worked with at this job, probably close to 4/5 have since moved on to other jobs. Since most people here either stay all the way till retirement, or for just a few years, without much middle ground, the second measure will continue to grow much faster than the first.
Outlived Former Department Coworkers... (Score:2)
While the company is long out of business, I've outlived quite a few people from the department I worked in at the second job I had.
We had seven people, and five have died. Vehicular accidents and cancers...
If I had a tinfoil hat I'd suspect someone was bumping off those of us who read the white paper on our software's undocumented parameters. So I'd better watch myself.
Peculiar story (Score:2)
I have been here for nine months. "Here" is the national R & D institute of Austria. I was the very first in the institute's long, loooong history to initiate a 100% FOSS project. It went wonderfully well - until some dinosaur of a manager felt insecure by my project's success and succeeded in getting me out of the door. March 31 will be my last day. And boy, am I happy - the bureacratic bullshit, the love for numb and mindless processes: 9 months were enough to make me yearn back for true industry env
No one has outlasted anybody (Score:3)
At my current place of employment, no one has ever quit or been fired. Every hire is still here.
My first "corporate" job (Score:2)
I have been doing IT for over 15 years, but my current job is my first corporate job. I define corporate as having a publicly traded stock.
I have to say that I am pleasantly surprised by how often middle and senior management gets fired around here. Having come out of the SME world where it seems like nobody ever gets let go, it is refreshing to see dead weight getting the axe. I never like to see people lose their jobs, but to be honest, there is not one person who I have seen leave in the company in my
Beta (Score:2)
I got replaced by Slashdot Beta. He took my position, and now he's going to take my wife and kids.
Slashdot Beta ruined my life!!! /sob
market research (Score:2)
does it ever occur to you that your role in life is to provide market research to some corporate holding company by describing the demographic you best fit into?
or do you take a more active role, by answering incorrectly to poison the statistics?
I mean come on, at least entertain us with a CowboyNeal option.
Ten years; big shifts in my employer (Score:2)
I've been in this specific industry (a narrow niche area of specialty chemicals) for sixteen years now, and have been with my current employer for ten years. During my first few years here, the company's summer picnic included a guessing contest around the question of the average age of the employees working at HQ. At that time, it was an astounding 62 - many, many employees across most departments dated back to the earlier family-owned days of the company, and little hiring had been done in many years.
Se
noobs (Score:2)
count(*), decode(sign(emp_id - 16562), 0, 'me', -1, 'past it', 1, 'noob')
from employees
where emp_status = 'A'
group by decode(sign(emp_id - 16562), 0, 'me', -1, 'past it', 1, 'noob')
more "noob" than "past it"'.
for good or ill? (Score:2)
A good follow-up question would be whether this makes you happy or sad.
Frankly, the jobs where I "lasted" the most time were some of the ones I enjoyed the least.
The dance (Score:2)
Longer then Fucking BETA (Score:2)
poorly worded (Score:2)
So I start work and a month later someone that has been there 10 years leaves. Did I out last them? Or do I only out last them if they started at the same time or later and leave before me?
Current, meh, but previous... (Score:3)
At my previous place of employment, I had trouble writing out my "goodbye" letter to the team remaining, as most of the good stories involved people who not only weren't there, but no one left even knew them.
That might be a sign, btw, for any managerial types, to worry about your staff turnover. Just sayin.
Today was my last day, you insensitive clod! (Score:2)
No, really, it was. And I'm a little weirded out by the timing of this poll.
Depends on how you count. (Score:2)
I became a regular employee of the company I work for just this week, making me the newest in one sense.
I've been contracting for them since 2009, which would put me in the middle of the pack.
I started working for the company that merged into this one way back in 2003, and I'm the only one who used to work for that company still left, as well as having been at one or the other longer than most employees of the current company.
The ultimate self-employment (Score:2)
Retirement.
I no longer have to care.
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Re:Seems indirect.There must be a better way. (Score:5, Funny)
Age and number of jobs.
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My small company had layoffs from 35 to 6, leaving 3 founders, a VP and a director and myself.
This was pretty common in the dot-com boom. Dot-coms would have a lot of investor coin in the bank, but no revenue, so they'd do rounds of layoffs. They'd lay of half of their people, and that would buy them six months. Then six months later they'd lay off half again, buying another six months and so on, living off what was in the bank until eventually there was just a bunch of VPs staring at each other, alon